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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #285 on: May 01, 2022, 08:26:54 AM »

^^

Yes SV, the worrying thing is that this could be used as reason for further online censorship, America are already at it with their own disinformation regulation board.

The head of the board was involved in censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story prior to the 2020 election.
50 odd intelligence experts were trotted out to back up the claim that the whole story was a Russian hoax when it was in fact true.

Thankfully, Elon Musk might save Twitter from the American disinformation.

Elon Musk slams Biden's 'discomforting' 'Disinformation Governance Board' on Twitter comparing it to the Nazi regime: GOP demands it's 'dissolved' as its 'head' DEFENDS linking Hunter's laptop to Russia

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10764173/Bidens-new-disinformation-head-DEFENDS-tweet-linking-Hunter-Bidens-laptop-Russia-Trump.html
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Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #286 on: May 01, 2022, 08:35:37 AM »
Prior to the 2016 election & during Trump's tenure, the western democrat controlled media continually ran stories about Trump being a Russian plant, pretty much every news station except Fox were spreading an outright lie, it was the main topic on CNN almost every day.

Can't trust what you read in the news anymore, the reports from Ukraine included, best to cast a sceptical eye over everything.
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Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #287 on: May 01, 2022, 08:52:05 AM »


WH pick for Big Brother-like disinformation board spread lie about Hunter Biden laptop

Guess it takes one to know one?



President Biden’s pick to lead his Department of Homeland Security’s Big Brother-like Disinformation Governance Board has her own history of posting disinformation online.

Nina Jankowicz, who was a disinformation fellow at the Wilson Center, has repeatedly cast doubt on The Post’s reporting about Hunter Biden’s laptop.

During a series of live tweets during the presidential debate between Biden and Donald Trump in October 2020, Jankowicz had referenced the laptop.

“Back on the ‘laptop from hell,’ apparently—Biden notes 50 former natsec officials and 5 former CIA heads that believe the laptop is a Russian influence op,” Jankowicz tweeted.

“Trump says ‘Russia, Russia, Russia,'” she added.

Her tweet resurfaced immediately after she revealed she’d been named executive director of the new disinformation bureau on Wednesday — as conservatives slammed her as a “leftist radical” and expressed doubt in her ability to spot misinformation.

Jankowicz tried to brush off the controversy surrounding her old laptop tweet, saying: “For those who believe this tweet is a key to all my views, it is simply a direct quote from both candidates during the final presidential debate. If you look at my timeline, you will see I was livetweeting that evening.”

But the Russian misinformation expert had told the Associated Press just a week earlier that there was doubt the laptop even belonged to Hunter and there were multiple red flags that emails uncovered from the device were legit.

“We should view it as a Trump campaign product,” Jankowicz said at the time.

Jankowicz had also tweeted a link to a news article in October 2020 that she said cast “yet more doubt on the provenance of the NY Post’s Hunter Biden story.”

“Not to mention that the emails don’t need to be altered to be part of an influence campaign. Voters deserve that context, not a [fairy] tale about a laptop repair shop,” she added in another tweet.

Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson slammed Jankowicz on Wednesday as a “beacon of misinformation” over her dismissal of the laptop – and accused her of “furthering the false media narrative” with her series of tweets.

Jankowicz, who has researched Russian disinformation tactics and online harassment, also previously praised Christopher Steele — the author of the since-discredited Trump-bashing dossier.

In August 2020, Jankowicz tweeted about the former British spy’s appearance on the Infotagion podcast, writing: “Listened to this last night – Chris Steele (yes THAT Chris Steele) provides some great historical context about the evolution of disinfo. Worth a listen.”

Steele’s fake dossier, which sparked the probe into whether former President Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with Russians during the 2016 election, was eventually debunked by special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation.

More recently, Jankowicz flagged concerns about the potential for Elon Musk to takeover Twitter.

“I shudder to think about if free speech absolutists were taking over more platforms, what that would look like for the marginalized communities,” she said in an interview with NPR ahead of Musk’s takeover deal emerging.

Since then, the billionaire Tesla CEO has vowed to make it a free speech haven.

Missouri Republican Sen. Josh Hawley seized on Jankowicz’s tweet about free speech, tweeting: “The Biden Administration’s new anti-speech czar is apparently no fan of the ⁦@elonmusk⁩ Twitter acquisition. This is the person Joe Biden just put in charge of policing Americans’ speech. Using the power of the government.”

Jankowicz and the DHS didn’t immediately respond to The Post’s request for comment.

White House press secretary Jen Psaki had no comment when asked about Jankowicz’s ability to head the disinformation board during Thursday’s media briefing.

“I don’t have any comment on the laptop … And I don’t know who this individual is, so I have no comment on that specifically,” Psaki told reporters.

https://nypost.com/2022/04/28/wh-pick-for-disinformation-board-spread-hunter-biden-laptop-lie/
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Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #288 on: May 01, 2022, 02:28:49 PM »


Ukranian disinformation

How Ukraine's 'Ghost of Kyiv' legendary pilot was born

Ukraine's fighter pilots are vastly outnumbered by the Russians, and have become legendary - thanks in part to the story of an alleged flying ace called the"Ghost of Kyiv".

This hero is said to have downed as many as 40 enemy planes - an incredible feat in an arena where Russia controls the skies.

But now the Ukraine Air Force Command has warned on Facebook that the "Ghost of Kyiv is a superhero-legend whose character was created by Ukrainians!".

"We ask the Ukrainian community not to neglect the basic rules of information hygiene," the message said, urging people to "check the sources of information, before spreading it".

Earlier reports had named the ace as Major Stepan Tarabalka, 29. The authorities confirmed that he was killed in combat on 13 March and honoured with a Hero of Ukraine medal posthumously.

Now, the air force stresses that "Tarabalka is not 'Ghost of Kiev', and he did not hit 40 planes".

It describes the "Ghost of Kyiv" as "a collective image of pilots of the Air Force's 40th tactical aviation brigade, who defend the sky over the capital", rather than a single man's combat record.

For weeks, Ukrainians did not have a name to go with the "Ghost of Kyiv" - but that did not stop the story going viral on social media.

It was used as a marketing brand by a Ukrainian model aircraft manufacturer, while Ukrainian Iryna Kostyrenko showed off a military badge inspired by the legend.

And the defence ministry tweeted a video celebrating Tarabalka's heroism.

Military experts told the BBC they doubted that one pilot could have downed as many as 40 Russian planes.

Ukrainian military historian Mikhail Zhirohov described the Ghost of Kyiv story as "propaganda for raising morale". Speaking to the BBC from Chernihiv, he said that early on in the war the Russians dominated Ukrainian airspace, so a Ukrainian pilot "could only shoot down two or three".

"It's essential to have this propaganda, because our armed forces are smaller, and many think we can't be equal to them [the Russians]. We need this in wartime," he said.

The fact that Ukrainian pilots are still denying Russia total mastery of the skies, flying inferior, older Russian-designed MiG-29s, inspired this modern legend.

With all its military might, Russia has had more than two months to knock out Ukraine's air defences - and failed.

The Ukrainian authorities fuelled the Ghost of Kyiv legend just days into the war.

The Ukraine Security Service (SBU) showed a fighter pilot on the Telegram messaging service, with a caption calling the "Ghost of Kyiv" an "angel" for downing 10 Russian planes. But it did not name the "angel", and media reports later said the photo used was an old one.

A Ukrainian military expert who requested anonymity told the BBC the Ghost of Kyiv story "has helped to raise morale at a time when people need simple stories".

Ukraine's morale has also been boosted by the Moskva story.

First, Ukrainian border guards defied the Russian missile cruiser with a rude gesture, commemorated with a popular postage stamp. Then Ukraine allegedly sank it - the pride of Russia's Black Sea Fleet - with two Neptune missiles. Russia admitted there was a fire on board, and that the ship sank, but made no mention of a missile attack.

Heroic fighter pilots have entered the national mythology of other countries too. The UK celebrates the brave Royal Air Force pilots who outwitted the mighty Nazi Luftwaffe in the 1940 Battle of Britain.

And Russia itself glorifies the sacrifices of its World War Two pilots, who were outgunned by the Germans. Some deliberately crashed into enemy planes after running out of bullets.

Legends like the Ghost of Kyiv are not surprising when there are such contrasting figures given for Russian and Ukrainian losses: there is plenty of room for embellishment.

On 30 April, the Ukrainian Armed Forces General Staff said that in the war so far Russia had lost 190 planes and 155 helicopters.

But independent military analysts Oryx reckon the Russian losses to be 26 planes and 39 helicopters, as well as 48 drones (UAVs).

Both Russia and Ukraine are very secretive about their own losses. Counting is difficult, because aircraft often crash in Russian-held territory, and some manage to land in Russia.

Experts agree that in most cases Russian aircraft were downed with surface-to-air missiles, especially man-portable air defence systems (Manpads).

Justin Crump of the security consultancy Sybilline says the Ghost of Kyiv legend is important because in our social media age "people need myths, heroes and legends, to provide cohesion and meaning".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61285833

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #289 on: May 03, 2022, 05:07:50 PM »

Tucker Carlson: This is why Democrats are taking us to war with Russia

Fox News host gives his take on the real motivation behind U.S. involvement in the Russia-Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGvO8b-tiaM
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #290 on: May 12, 2022, 06:50:24 PM »
Putin explains to President Xi that he’s fighting a proxy war against NATO.

“How’s it going?” asks Xi.

“So far, we’ve lost a flagship, 20,000 troops, 8 generals, 500 tanks and 100 planes”, says Putin.

“What about NATO?” asks Xi.

“They haven’t turned up yet.”
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Carana

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #291 on: May 19, 2022, 06:49:03 PM »
Tucker Carlson: This is why Democrats are taking us to war with Russia

Fox News host gives his take on the real motivation behind U.S. involvement in the Russia-Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGvO8b-tiaM

Ah, Tucker Carlson. The US voice of RT (formerly Russia Today).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmaiqCIM5cE

There's a clip floating around of Tucker and Farage streamed on Russian TV with translated subtitles. I might be able to find it again if anyone's genuinely interested (no guarantees as it was months ago).

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #292 on: May 19, 2022, 07:07:57 PM »
Ah, Tucker Carlson. The US voice of RT (formerly Russia Today).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmaiqCIM5cE

There's a clip floating around of Tucker and Farage streamed on Russian TV with translated subtitles. I might be able to find it again if anyone's genuinely interested (no guarantees as it was months ago).

Tucker makes a fair point.

What would the U.S reaction be if China formed an alliance with Mexico & Canada?

That would legitimately be considered a security threat to the USA.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #293 on: May 23, 2022, 04:54:52 PM »
More of this sort of thing  8@??)(
Russian diplomat Boris Bondarev resigns over ‘criminal’ war in Ukraine
I have never been more ashamed of my country, says counsellor to UN mission in Geneva

George GryllsMay 21 2022, 6.00pm
In an excoriating resignation letter, he said the war launched by President Putin was a “crime against the Ukrainian people” that would ruin the Russian economy as well as “all hopes and prospects for a prosperous free society”.

“The aggressive war unleashed by Putin against Ukraine, and in fact against the entire western world, is not only a crime against the Ukrainian people, but also, perhaps, the most serious crime against the people of Russia, with a bold letter Z crossing out all hopes and prospects for a prosperous free society in our country.”

He added: “Those who conceived this war want only one thing — to remain in power for ever, live in pompous tasteless palaces, sail on yachts comparable in tonnage and cost to the entire Russian navy, enjoying unlimited power and complete impunity.

Boris Bondarev’s excoriating resignation letter
Boris Bondarev’s excoriating resignation letter

NOT KNOWN

“To achieve that, they are willing to sacrifice as many lives as it takes. Thousands of Russians and Ukrainians have already died just for this.”

Bondarev is not the first official to have resigned over the war in Ukraine. Anatoly Chubais, a longtime aide to Putin, quit in March. This month the head of the Russian consulate in Edinburgh appeared to step down when he posted a critical message of the government on Instagram, only for diplomats to later insist the post had been a “fake”.

In his letter Bondarev reserved particular criticism for Sergey Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, a highly educated official who speaks multiple languages including Sinhalese, the native tongue of Sri Lanka.

“Minister Lavrov is a good illustration of the degradation of this system,” Bondarev said. “In 18 years, he went from a professional and educated intellectual, whom many of my colleagues held in such high esteem, to a person who constantly broadcasts conflicting statements and threatens the world with nuclear weapons!

“Today the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is not about diplomacy. It is all about warmongering, lies and hatred. It serves the interests of few, the very few people thus contributing to further isolation and degradation of my country. Russia no longer has allies, and there is no one to blame but its reckless and ill-conceived policy.”

“I studied to be a diplomat and have been a diplomat for 20 years. The ministry has become my home and family. But I simply cannot any longer share in this bloody, witless and absolutely needless ignominy.”

Bondarev told the Associated Press today: “It is intolerable what my government is doing now. As a civil servant, I have to carry a share of responsibility for that, and I don’t want to do that.”

He said he had not received any reaction yet from Russian officials, but added: “Am I concerned about the possible reaction from Moscow? I have to be concerned about it.”

Asked if some colleagues felt the same, he added: “Not all Russian diplomats are warmongering. They are reasonable, but they have to keep their mouths shut.”

He suggested his case could become an example. “If my case is prosecuted, then if other people want to follow, they would not,” he said.

Hillel Neuer, the director of the Swiss non-governmental organisation UN Watch, said: “Boris Bondarev is a hero. We are now calling on all other Russian diplomats at the United Nations — and worldwide — to follow his moral example and resign.”

“Bondarev should be invited to speak in Davos this week,” Neuer added, “and the US, the UK and the EU should lead the free world in creating a programme to encourage more Russian diplomats to follow and defect, by providing protection, financial security and resettlement for diplomats and their families.”
 8@??)(
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Offline Carana

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #294 on: May 28, 2022, 04:15:42 PM »
Tucker makes a fair point.

What would the U.S reaction be if China formed an alliance with Mexico & Canada?

That would legitimately be considered a security threat to the USA.

Russia is hardly a squashed hamburger, though, is it? It even has its own NATO-like alliance with other countries, initally the Warsaw Pact and, following the latter's disintegration, the CSTO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization

IMO, Putin's in search of a swan song, and somehow imagines himself to be restoring the former Soviet Union (against the will of most of those former countries), or perhaps sees himself as a reincarnation of Peter the Great.


Offline Brietta

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #295 on: May 29, 2022, 08:55:15 AM »
Ukraine's former President blocked from leaving the country
(Reuters)
Ukrainian media reported Poroshenko could not cross the border due to "technical problems" with a permit allowing him to leave the country.

"Poroshenko had received all the formal permissions to leave the country and had been included ... in the official delegation of the Parliament of Ukraine for this event," his European Solidarity parliamentary faction said.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ukraine-s-former-president-blocked-from-leaving-the-country/ar-AAXPtk2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fb438787ba4c434197d755b1e0a35f62

I'm not at all sure that we are being allowed to see the broader picture here.  It concerns me greatly that the view we are permitted is a totally one sided one.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #296 on: May 29, 2022, 02:51:34 PM »
Ukraine's former President blocked from leaving the country
(Reuters)
Ukrainian media reported Poroshenko could not cross the border due to "technical problems" with a permit allowing him to leave the country.

"Poroshenko had received all the formal permissions to leave the country and had been included ... in the official delegation of the Parliament of Ukraine for this event," his European Solidarity parliamentary faction said.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ukraine-s-former-president-blocked-from-leaving-the-country/ar-AAXPtk2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fb438787ba4c434197d755b1e0a35f62

I'm not at all sure that we are being allowed to see the broader picture here.  It concerns me greatly that the view we are permitted is a totally one sided one.

The first casualty of war is the truth.

Snake Island, Ukranians fought to the death & defiantly told the crew of a Russian war ship to 'F' off.
You can even buy T-shirts with that as a slogan.

The Ghost of Kiev, the hero Ukranian fighter who shot down multiple Russian jets.

The western media spread it, people bought it, before a later admission none of that was actually true.

The Ghost of Kiev was a morale boosting propaganda tale & the Snake Islanders surrendered.

Ukrainian forces are being slowly & steadily flattened in the South & East, Russia have almost captured the entire Donbas & will be heading for Odesa before long.

Ukraine's best option is retreat, surrender & try to find terms with Russia, but the United States will never let the puppet Zelenskey stand down.
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Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #297 on: May 29, 2022, 03:09:43 PM »

If it's truth you're after, Pulitzer prize winner Chris Hedges has some painful truth about the wider geopolitical & economic reasons for the USA/Europe vs Russia & China.


Hedges: No Way Out but War




Permanent war has cannibalized the country. It has created a social, political, and economic morass. Each new military debacle is another nail in the coffin of Pax Americana.

The United States, as the near unanimous vote to provide nearly $40 billion in aid to Ukraine illustrates, is trapped in the death spiral of unchecked militarism.

No high speed trains. No universal health care. No viable Covid relief program. No respite from 8.3 percent inflation. No infrastructure programs to repair decaying roads and bridges, which require $41.8 billion to fix the 43,586 structurally deficient bridges, on average 68 years old. No forgiveness of $1.7 trillion in student debt. No addressing income inequality. No program to feed the 17 million children who go to bed each night hungry. No rational gun control or curbing of the epidemic of nihilistic violence and mass shootings. No help for the 100,000 Americans who die each year of drug overdoses. No minimum wage of $15 an hour to counter 44 years of wage stagnation. No respite from gas prices that are projected to hit $6 a gallon.

The permanent war economy, implanted since the end of World War II, has destroyed the private economy, bankrupted the nation, and squandered trillions of dollars of taxpayer money. The monopolization of capital by the military has driven the US debt to $30 trillion, $ 6 trillion more than the US GDP of $ 24 trillion. Servicing this debt costs $300 billion a year. We spent more on the military, $ 813 billion for fiscal year 2023, than the next nine countries, including China and Russia, combined.

We are paying a heavy social, political, and economic cost for our militarism. Washington watches passively as the U.S. rots, morally, politically, economically, and physically, while China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, India, and other countries extract themselves from the tyranny of the U.S. dollar and the international Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT), a messaging network banks and other financial institutions use to send and receive information, such as money transfer instructions. Once the U.S. dollar is no longer the world’s reserve currency, once there is an alternative to SWIFT, it will precipitate an internal economic collapse. It will force the immediate contraction of the U.S. empire shuttering most of its nearly 800 overseas military installations. It will signal the death of Pax Americana.


Democrat or Republican. It does not matter. War is the raison d’état of the state. Extravagant military expenditures are justified in the name of “national security.” The nearly $40 billion allocated for Ukraine, most of it going into the hands of weapons manufacturers such as Raytheon Technologies, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, BAE Systems, Lockheed Martin, and Boeing, is only the beginning. Military strategists, who say the war will be long and protracted, are talking about infusions of $4 or $5 billion in military aid a month to Ukraine. We face existential threats. But these do not count. The proposed budget for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in fiscal year 2023 is $10.675 billion. The proposed budget for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is $11.881 billion. Ukraine alone gets more than double that amount. Pandemics and the climate emergency are afterthoughts. War is all that matters. This is a recipe for collective suicide.


(Read More....)
https://scheerpost.com/2022/05/23/hedges-no-way-out-but-war/
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Offline Brietta

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #298 on: May 29, 2022, 03:57:55 PM »
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During more than 40 years of active journalism, including a stint as a defence reporter, I have never once been prevented from writing anything by a so-called ‘D’ Notice (nowadays they are officially DSMA Notices, if you care), until now. I used to scoff when people told me that such things were common, or that I was constrained in reporting by them. Now I cannot.   Peter Hichens

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https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2022/05/peter-hitchens-coming-soon-the-day-i-stop-watching-the-bbc-which-is-more-narrow-minded-than-a-1950s-.html?cid=6a00d8341c565553ef0282e1532598200b

There is an obvious question which immediately springs to mind on reading that paragraph.  I know the conclusion I arrived at when reading it last week and I can't really say I'm the least bit happy about it.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #299 on: May 29, 2022, 04:15:50 PM »
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During more than 40 years of active journalism, including a stint as a defence reporter, I have never once been prevented from writing anything by a so-called ‘D’ Notice (nowadays they are officially DSMA Notices, if you care), until now. I used to scoff when people told me that such things were common, or that I was constrained in reporting by them. Now I cannot.   Peter Hichens

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https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2022/05/peter-hitchens-coming-soon-the-day-i-stop-watching-the-bbc-which-is-more-narrow-minded-than-a-1950s-.html?cid=6a00d8341c565553ef0282e1532598200b

There is an obvious question which immediately springs to mind on reading that paragraph.  I know the conclusion I arrived at when reading it last week and I can't really say I'm the least bit happy about it.

We are living under the Military industrial & Economic dictatorship of the United States.

Super Imperialism by Financial Capitalism.

See how the U.S has blocked Europe from buying Russian energy?

Europe is now expected to buy fuel from the USA at nearly 8 times the price.

Brazil, Russia, India, China known as BRICS, with more countries joining soon, have been gradually de-dollarizing for the past near decade.

The U.S reserve currency dictatorship has impoverished the global south & exploited the earths natural resources at an unsustainable rate, but BRICS, with Saudi Arabia also weighing up selling oil in Yuan, are extracting themselves from the Dollar hegemony.

We are witnessing the death of the U.S empire, & I think the USA might just commit suicide before ever allowing a world where China & Russia are on an equal footing with them.
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