Pamela Fenn

[registrar]

Quote from: icabodcrane on April 11, 2013, 03:20:09 PM
What I found most significant in Mrs Fenn's statement was the length of time she heard the crying for  ...  an hour and 15 minutes 

How does that fit in with the McCann's claim that they checked on the children every half hour  ?

*** or any of their friends IF the crying came from next door to the Mccanns  or two doors down after that!

fair comment

[DCI]

What I found most significant in Mrs Fenn's statement was the length of time she heard the crying for  ...  an hour and 15 minutes 

How does that fit in with the McCann's claim that they checked on the children every half hour  ?

It was never clarified who the child was, nor even whether it was just one child during that time. She really should have been reinterviewed, her friend interviewed to verify the date and time, and a sound reconstruction done.

Was Mrs Fenn's friend Evilyn Glynn interviewed?

I think its Edna Glynn, Ferryman. She wasn't interviewed.

[Redblossom]

shes probably dead too

[ferryman]

Why was Mrs Fenn never interviewed a second time?

[DCI]

Why was Mrs Fenn never interviewed a second time?

Her first interview, according to the files, wasn't done till 3 months later. So what hope was there?

[ferryman]

Why was Mrs Fenn never interviewed a second time?

Her first interview, according to the files, wasn't done till 3 months later. So what hope was there?

And originally was specifically billed as being about the crime she was a victim of.

[Redblossom]

Doeant really matter when she was interviewed as long as poster  stop lying about her testimony

[AnneGuedes]

shes probably dead too

Why probably ?
May be she was just called on the phone informally (they were informal interviews, we have proofs of that), confirmed and farewell.
Mrs Fenn was very clear she wasn't home on Wednesday night. No reason to doubt her. Especially because if such a long crying occurred, Rachael on the other side of the wall, sick, would have heard.

[Carana]

Doeant really matter when she was interviewed as long as poster  stop lying about her testimony

???

You find that a potentially crucial witness, who lived above a crime scene, wasn't interviewed until four months later "doesn't really matter"?

[AnneGuedes]

Carana, do you think Mrs Fenn was aware she was a crucial witness or aware she wasn't ?
When she says she didn't want to add pain to Madeleine's parents telling about the crying episode, I find it very plausible and delicate. She knew she'd to tell it, if interviewed, and preferred to stay back stage. The police possibly thought that being an old lady it wasn't worthwhile to interview her. Besides the police were investigating an abduction, not a drama on the ground floor.

[Chinagirl]

police possibly thought that being an old lady it wasn't worthwhile to interview her.

What an obnoxious remark!  Just because one is elderly doesn't mean they are automatically senile!

[AnneGuedes]

police possibly thought that being an old lady it wasn't worthwhile to interview her.

What an obnoxious remark!  Just because one is elderly doesn't mean they are automatically senile!

Did I say that ? If you had read, instead of interpreting obnoxiously my  post, you'd see I find Mrs Fenn a delicate and smart person. Very desirable qualities..
The police may judge it's not worthwhile to bother an old lady who either is aware she has something useful to say or isn't, then no use.

[Carana]

Carana, do you think Mrs Fenn was aware she was a crucial witness or aware she wasn't ?
When she says she didn't want to add pain to Madeleine's parents telling about the crying episode, I find it very plausible and delicate. She knew she'd to tell it, if interviewed, and preferred to stay back stage. The police possibly thought that being an old lady it wasn't worthwhile to interview her. Besides the police were investigating an abduction, not a drama on the ground floor.

She may not have thought she was. However, living just above, the police should have considered her as a potentially crucial one.

She had been burgled a short time before and was quite probably aware of other burglaries.

I don't understand this bit Anne: Besides the police were investigating an abduction, not a drama on the ground floor.

In any scenario (from a burglary gone wrong, to a major domestic dispute that went wrong), she should have been interviewed straight away. And reinterviewed with a reconstruction to verify the source of sound. And her friend should have been interviewed to verify the date and time.

[Chinagirl]

police possibly thought that being an old lady it wasn't worthwhile to interview her.

What an obnoxious remark!  Just because one is elderly doesn't mean they are automatically senile!

Did I say that ? If you had read, instead of interpreting obnoxiously my  post, you'd see I find Mrs Fenn a delicate and smart person. Very desirable qualities..
The police may judge it's not worthwhile to bother an old lady who either is aware she has something useful to say or isn't, then no use.

Yes, you did say that, and yes, it was obnoxious.  And old or not, Mrs Fenn should have been one of the very first people interviewed, given where she lived.  That the PJ left it so long to interview her is yet another example of the incompetence of  the initial investigation.

[AnneGuedes]

But, Carana, the friend was called on the 1st of May ! You don't think the abductor could have entered in the flat on that day, do you ?
On the 3rd, Mrs Fenn heard nothing, nothing before she switched off TV at 10:30. She tells a story, Mrs McCann tells another one... Who knows ? But when Mrs Fenn says she didn't want to hurt the McCanns, I "feel" it's true. When she says she was worried with the crying and called a friend who calmed her down, I understand her, or rather them. Hearing a child crying is a thing, hearing someone saying a child cries another one.
Finally, I meant with "they were then investigating an abduction" that the police interviewed Mrs Fenn when the case took another turn, after Eddie alerted in the flat (which was suggesting a drama).