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Offline Brietta

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #105 on: May 25, 2022, 04:44:04 PM »
But why The BKA?  That's the bit that I don't get.  Okay, Brueckner is German.  And now suddenly Portugal is interested?

What has Portugal been doing for the last fifteen years?  Other than supporting Amaral.

I wonder if the Portuguese establishment would have allowed the Germans their co-operation in the prosecution of the 2005 Praia da Luz rape case had they been able to foresee the repercussions in relation to Madeleine McCann. 

Completely out of the blue for everyone concerned, that one piece of the jigsaw puzzle slotted neatly into place and the rest is history as they say.

Portuguese police 'failed to DNA test evidence in 2005 rape case which could have led to capture of Madeleine McCann suspect two years BEFORE her disappearance'
  • Items at scene of 2005 Christian Brueckner rape case were not DNA tested
  • German prosecutors believe this oversight left Brueckner free to snatch Maddie
  • Brueckner raped 72-year-old American woman near McCann holiday apartment
By JACK WRIGHT FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 01:15, 1 July 2020

The 2005 rape case inquiry was abandoned five months after the horrific attack, while neither a red T-shirt stuffed in the victim's mouth nor a nylon rope used to tie her hands together were DNA tested, according to The Sun.

Official documents show Carlos Farinha, then Director of the Judicial Police's Forensic Science Laboratory, wrote in a November 2009 letter: 'We have learned by telephone that the examination is no longer necessary. We are therefore cancelling the tests and returning the material sent to us for analysis.'

Brueckner was arrested over the rape in 2017 and convicted in December after German police reinvestigated and did DNA tests.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8477199/Police-failed-DNA-test-evidence-led-capture-Maddies-prime-suspect.html



Amaral who seems to be on a mission to prove how seriously flawed an individual he is but whose word carries a lot of weight still in Portugal has taken it upon himself to use that credulity to rubbish not only the present German investigation but the last one.



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In October 2021, the former inspector published a new book, Maddie: Enough Lies! (Counterpoint), in which he seeks to dismantle the German investigation into Christian Brueckner.

"My conclusion is that Brueckner is a scapegoat. He is under arrest for the rape of a U.S. citizen that occurred in 2005 in Praia da Luz.

The gynaecological examination performed in the hospital, according to the protocol for cases of rape, concludes that it did not happen.

The question is how he could be tried and convicted of this offense if the examination of the victim concludes that it did not happen", says Amaral.

"The process Portuguese was translated into German, except for the gynaecological examination, handwritten by the doctor, because the translator said it was illegible."

"There was such a great desire on the part of the German investigators to stop Christian Brueckner that the main element of the case was not taken into account. In Germany an individual is arrested for a non-existent offense, it is a vale-tudo, a sadness," the former inspector told El País.

https://observador.pt/2022/05/03/procurador-alemao-diz-ter-a-certeza-de-que-christian-brueckner-e-o-assassino-de-maddie-goncalo-amaral-responde-que-e-bode-expiatorio/
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #106 on: May 25, 2022, 04:59:51 PM »
I wonder if the Portuguese establishment would have allowed the Germans their co-operation in the prosecution of the 2005 Praia da Luz rape case had they been able to foresee the repercussions in relation to Madeleine McCann. 

Completely out of the blue for everyone concerned, that one piece of the jigsaw puzzle slotted neatly into place and the rest is history as they say.

Portuguese police 'failed to DNA test evidence in 2005 rape case which could have led to capture of Madeleine McCann suspect two years BEFORE her disappearance'
  • Items at scene of 2005 Christian Brueckner rape case were not DNA tested
  • German prosecutors believe this oversight left Brueckner free to snatch Maddie
  • Brueckner raped 72-year-old American woman near McCann holiday apartment
By JACK WRIGHT FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 01:15, 1 July 2020

The 2005 rape case inquiry was abandoned five months after the horrific attack, while neither a red T-shirt stuffed in the victim's mouth nor a nylon rope used to tie her hands together were DNA tested, according to The Sun.

Official documents show Carlos Farinha, then Director of the Judicial Police's Forensic Science Laboratory, wrote in a November 2009 letter: 'We have learned by telephone that the examination is no longer necessary. We are therefore cancelling the tests and returning the material sent to us for analysis.'

Brueckner was arrested over the rape in 2017 and convicted in December after German police reinvestigated and did DNA tests.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8477199/Police-failed-DNA-test-evidence-led-capture-Maddies-prime-suspect.html



Amaral who seems to be on a mission to prove how seriously flawed an individual he is but whose word carries a lot of weight still in Portugal has taken it upon himself to use that credulity to rubbish not only the present German investigation but the last one.



Snip
In October 2021, the former inspector published a new book, Maddie: Enough Lies! (Counterpoint), in which he seeks to dismantle the German investigation into Christian Brueckner.

"My conclusion is that Brueckner is a scapegoat. He is under arrest for the rape of a U.S. citizen that occurred in 2005 in Praia da Luz.

The gynaecological examination performed in the hospital, according to the protocol for cases of rape, concludes that it did not happen.

The question is how he could be tried and convicted of this offense if the examination of the victim concludes that it did not happen", says Amaral.

"The process Portuguese was translated into German, except for the gynaecological examination, handwritten by the doctor, because the translator said it was illegible."

"There was such a great desire on the part of the German investigators to stop Christian Brueckner that the main element of the case was not taken into account. In Germany an individual is arrested for a non-existent offense, it is a vale-tudo, a sadness," the former inspector told El País.

https://observador.pt/2022/05/03/procurador-alemao-diz-ter-a-certeza-de-que-christian-brueckner-e-o-assassino-de-maddie-goncalo-amaral-responde-que-e-bode-expiatorio/

Amaral isn't very bright.. If his claim is true that doesn't mean  she wasn't raped

Offline Brietta

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #107 on: May 25, 2022, 05:34:01 PM »
Amaral isn't very bright.. If his claim is true that doesn't mean  she wasn't raped

Thinking back to the Sandra Felgueiras programme which showed some photographic images of the injuries sustained by the rape victim I think it categorically supports the evidence she gave to BKA who travelled to the US to take her deposition.

The images although blurred out for the tv broadcast called to mind for me Hazel Behan's description of the humiliating ordeal she was subjected to by investigators.

Coincidentally the DNA evidence in both rapes was either destroyed or not even taken.  Quite shocking.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #108 on: May 25, 2022, 05:51:29 PM »
Amaral isn't very bright.. If his claim is true that doesn't mean  she wasn't raped
If his claim is true, I very much doubt it is, the man has a proven track record in peddling propaganda and untruths. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Eleanor

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #109 on: May 25, 2022, 07:06:55 PM »

But why is Amaral doing this?  It can't be just because he can't handle being wrong.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #110 on: May 25, 2022, 07:54:31 PM »
But why is Amaral doing this?  It can't be just because he can't handle being wrong.
it’s that, and the fact that he gets paid every time he opens his gob.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Eleanor

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #111 on: May 25, 2022, 07:57:46 PM »
it’s that, and the fact that he gets paid every time he opens his gob.

I have long wondered if it is something more sinister.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #112 on: May 25, 2022, 08:50:10 PM »
If his claim is true, I very much doubt it is, the man has a proven track record in peddling propaganda and untruths.

his claim may be true but not telling the whole story.....he was found guilty of rape so its safe to assume she was

Offline sadie

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #113 on: May 25, 2022, 10:08:02 PM »
I have long wondered if it is something more sinister.

Me too.

His input over the years somehow seemed orchestrated to me.
And I can't help wondering if he's a puppet for someone else / some mega organisation / some brotherhood / fraternity ?


but then another side of me thinks that he seems the sort of guy who will move heaven and earth to get his own back.  I think that he now perceives Kate and Gerry as the enemy because he failed to humble them ... he failed to break them down.   Now he has to get his own back and earn money at the same time.

These are just my feelings.   There does seem something sinister about him to me, but I know I could be wrong.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #114 on: May 26, 2022, 08:14:05 AM »
Me too.

His input over the years somehow seemed orchestrated to me.
And I can't help wondering if he's a puppet for someone else / some mega organisation / some brotherhood / fraternity ?


but then another side of me thinks that he seems the sort of guy who will move heaven and earth to get his own back.  I think that he now perceives Kate and Gerry as the enemy because he failed to humble them ... he failed to break them down.   Now he has to get his own back and earn money at the same time.

These are just my feelings.   There does seem something sinister about him to me, but I know I could be wrong.

If, as some fantasize, it was Amaral who influenced thousands of people to disbelieve the McCanns' widely publicised abduction story then he achieved his goal. When, in their fury, they chose to sue him for damages and failed to prove their case, he won again. I don't think he needs to 'get his own back' at all.

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #115 on: May 26, 2022, 08:35:03 AM »
If, as some fantasize, it was Amaral who influenced thousands of people to disbelieve the McCanns' widely publicised abduction story then he achieved his goal. When, in their fury, they chose to sue him for damages and failed to prove their case, he won again. I don't think he needs to 'get his own back' at all.
He didn’t break the McCanns, he didn’t get them banged up, no one with any sense respects his opinions on the case, so he failed.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #116 on: May 26, 2022, 09:03:57 AM »
He didn’t break the McCanns, he didn’t get them banged up, no one with any sense respects his opinions on the case, so he failed.

What makes you think he wanted to break the McCanns and/or get them 'banged up'? He's never said those things so they are figments of your imagination rather than Amaral's motives imo. His motivation in writing his book was clearly stated; it was to defend himself and the conduct of the investigation until September 2007, not to attack others.

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #117 on: May 26, 2022, 09:10:46 AM »
What makes you think he wanted to break the McCanns and/or get them 'banged up'? He's never said those things so they are figments of your imagination rather than Amaral's motives imo. His motivation in writing his book was clearly stated; it was to defend himself and the conduct of the investigation until September 2007, not to attack others.
These are my opinions to which I am entitled, kindly do not belittle my opinion by calling them figments of my imagination.  Any policeman building a case against suspects he 100% believes committed a crime wants to see them charged and found guilty of said crimes, unless there is something very wrong with them.  IMO Amaral and his cohorts deliberately leaked to the media prior to his dismissal in an attempt to break down the McCanns.  Now, how do you cope the fact that three police forces are investigating Madeleine’s abduction?  How do you rationalize that to yourself?  BTW Madeleine was abducted.  I can say this quite safely because it is apparently also ok to say Madeleine wasn’t abducted on this forum, no IMOs needed.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Brietta

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #118 on: May 26, 2022, 09:40:02 AM »
If, as some fantasize, it was Amaral who influenced thousands of people to disbelieve the McCanns' widely publicised abduction story then he achieved his goal. When, in their fury, they chose to sue him for damages and failed to prove their case, he won again. I don't think he needs to 'get his own back' at all.

The thread topic is on the theme of perceptions of Madeleine's abduction and I doubt there are any more negative perceptions than those promulgated by Amaral.

The enigma is Amaral and has been as he pointed out in his book, from the minute his feet hit the floor on the morning of 4th May 2007.  At which stage of the procedure this sage and guru could not possibly have had any more information other than when he went to bed in the early hours a little girl had gone missing from her holiday.

He also had the pressing business of having to fit in on that same day the pressing personal business of being constituted as an arguido for the torture of a woman under police interrogation on his watch.

To fantasize that Amaral is a blameless bystander in Madeleine's case is simply rewriting history very much as Amaral did when he propagandised his role as he thinks it should have been and not as it was in the pages of his libellous book.

The man is a convicted criminal who was sacked from Madeleine's case as a result of his unhinged conduct.  I think you have started off the day appropriately by alluding to your perception and his perception on how Madeleine's case is perceived by some.

You may have airbrushed from your mind the enigma of his more recent antics but nothing epitomises the wrecking self appointed mission this guy has been on for fifteen long years than the lies he made up.  As always, accompanied by the ever prevalent McCann slurs which are his trademark as he took to the airwaves in an attempt to derail the active German investigation.
You may have missed his denouement on that occasion ~ but the rest of the world saw it and I think some might have seen the light as a result.

A salient question also arises as a direct result of his proven lies on this occasion when he had absolutely no locus.

Back in the day when as co-ordinator of Madeleine's case he very much had locus, exactly what influence did he exert as he blithely notes 'errors' of the time and doors that weren't opened when knocked on by the PJ.

"I take it there was an error in the investigation": Gonçalo Amaral on Brueckner's connection in maddie case
Investigator led the team. Brueckner, the prime suspect for the German authorities, was also on the Judiciary Police.
Mónica Palma and Paulo João Santos
October 8, 2021
There was a serious error in the Portuguese investigation of Christian Brueckner, the man the German judicial authorities claim kidnapped and killed Maddie, the missing child on May 3, 2007 in Praia da Luz, algarve.

Who admits it is Gonçalo Amaral, who led the investigation into the disappearance of the English child.


https://www.cmjornal.pt/mundo/detalhe/assumo-que-houve-um-erro-na-investigacao-goncalo-amaral-sobre-ligacao-de-brueckner-no-caso-maddie


Maybe by his unsolicited admission to that one he hoped to circumvent the fact that Brueckner's phone had activated a mast in Praia da Luz.  An event which could have been a real game changer back in the day when he was the leading light in the investigation and when so much more information would still have been available to investigators.

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #119 on: May 26, 2022, 10:30:04 AM »
What makes you think he wanted to break the McCanns and/or get them 'banged up'? He's never said those things so they are figments of your imagination rather than Amaral's motives imo. His motivation in writing his book was clearly stated; it was to defend himself and the conduct of the investigation until September 2007, not to attack others.

So because Amaral made that statement you regard it as fact... You have a highly selective belief system

I don't think the ECHR will find that defending your honour allows you attack anothers is reasonable