Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction

[Brietta]

There were certain questions Gerry McCann claimed he couldn't answer due to the secrecy of justice. There were subjects Amaral was not suposed to discuss due to an injunction taken out by Kate and Gerry McCann. The difference was, imo, that one didn't want to discuss the investigation anyway and the other did.

I think you really should attempt to put your intense dislike of Madeleine's parents behind you and move on.

Apart from being crushingly boring it bears no relevance to the direction in which Madeleine's case has progressed.

[Brietta]

There were certain questions Gerry McCann claimed he couldn't answer due to the secrecy of justice. There were subjects Amaral was not suposed to discuss due to an injunction taken out by Kate and Gerry McCann. The difference was, imo, that one didn't want to discuss the investigation anyway and the other did.

As far as I know the injunction taken out in the civil court concerned the distribution of Amaral's book.  Was an injunction taken out against him to desist from libel?
Please provide a link to the injunction to which you refer.

[Brietta]

There has to be a reason for Madeleine's case becoming a master class in "what not to do when a child goes missing" and a little thought explains what it is.

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The Portuguese Policia Judiciaria (PJ) long ago ran out of ideas or enthusiasm for this investigation, and the case is now effectively closed. No one is now looking for Madeleine but her parents. How did the most ferociously discussed crime of modern times arrive at such a sorry and shaming point?

The "archiving" of the case has not necessarily been read this way in Portugal - some local headlines yesterday continued to assert that the ruling was "not a declaration of innocence" - but the attorney general's statement is a terrible indictment of the Portuguese investigators. To close an investigation into a missing child after a little more than a year with no idea where to go next is "appalling", child protection expert Mark Williams-Thomas told the Guardian this week, stressing that it would never be permitted to happen in this country. He urged the attorney general to have the entire case reviewed by an external force, perhaps from Germany or the US, but that is unlikely to happen.

The investigators, in truth, were at fault from the very beginning. Journalists, police officers and other experts who witnessed the early stages of the investigation were struck by how out of their depth the police seemed. Their failure to secure the crime scene, close the borders, take early witness statements and conform to other basic investigative good practice has been well reported. The most senior police officer, Goncalo Amaral, was abruptly removed from the case and demoted over his handling of it, while his office spent last summer leaking extremely prejudicial material about the McCanns to local media. (Amaral is currently facing perjury charges, which he denies, in relation to another missing child case, which might cast doubt on the credibility of his own tell-all book about the McCann investigation, released tomorrow.)

Now it seems that it was the Portuguese police's catastrophic misinterpretation of British DNA findings that led to them becoming so convinced of the couple's guilt and naming them arguidos. So much of this miserable story, in other words, could have been different had local investigators displayed a little more competence.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/jul/23/madeleinemccann.portugal

[Vertigo Swirl]

There were certain questions Gerry McCann claimed he couldn't answer due to the secrecy of justice. There were subjects Amaral was not suposed to discuss due to an injunction taken out by Kate and Gerry McCann. The difference was, imo, that one didn't want to discuss the investigation anyway and the other did.

Amaral was not hampered by anything clearly, despite your claim.  There’s nothing more that needs to be said on this particular subject.

[Eleanor]

Amaral was not hampered by anything clearly, despite your claim.  There’s nothing more that needs to be said on this particular subject.

Oh!  And there was me wanting to talk some more about what was said in this interview on The Cipriano Case.

But never mind.  If you insist.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Oh!  And there was me wanting to talk some more about what was said in this interview on The Cipriano Case.

But never mind.  If you insist.

Don’t let me hamper you 

[Eleanor]

It seems to me here that the more The Sceptics try to trash The McCanns and exonerate Amaral then the more The Supporters remember of what actually happened.  Mostly from being around for a good bit longer.

I've still got a few tricks up my sleeve, coupled with a very long memory.  So it might be a good idea for The Sceptics to pack it in.

I still haven't entirely given up on The de Silvas.  A Brazilian couple with a boat who disappeared at the same time as Madeleine.

[Eleanor]

Don’t let me hamper you 

No, No.  It's okay.  I'll save that for later.  If I need it.

[Brietta]

It seems to me here that the more The Sceptics try to trash The McCanns and exonerate Amaral then the more The Supporters remember of what actually happened.  Mostly from being around for a good bit longer.

I've still got a few tricks up my sleeve, coupled with a very long memory.  So it might be a good idea for The Sceptics to pack it in.

I still haven't entirely given up on The de Silvas.  A Brazilian couple with a boat who disappeared at the same time as Madeleine.

I don't think anything was done about them at all until 2014 when Scotland Yard started tying up loose ends when they opened their case.
EXCLUSIVE: Brazilians in the frame in Madeleine hunt
The behaviour of a Brazilian couple who were seen acting suspiciously around the time of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance is now being re-examined by Portuguese police.
By JAMES MURRAY
00:01, Sun, Dec 14, 2014
After British detectives sat in on interviews in Faro with witnesses last week, the Sunday Express can reveal Policia Judiciaria co-ordinator Ana Paula Rito is taking a broader look at leads which may not have been fully pursued.

She is now keen to learn more about the Brazilian couple, who are said to have expressed a strong desire to have a child when they were in the ­Algarve in May 2007 when Madeleine vanished.

The couple, who were staying on a yacht at the marina left shortly after the disappearance and have not been seen again.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/546818/Brazilian-couple-who-wanted-a-child-re-examined-in-Madeleine-hunt


If for nothing other than curiosities sake any investigation worth its salt should have been all over this one.

[Eleanor]

I don't think anything was done about them at all until 2014 when Scotland Yard started tying up loose ends when they opened their case.
EXCLUSIVE: Brazilians in the frame in Madeleine hunt
The behaviour of a Brazilian couple who were seen acting suspiciously around the time of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance is now being re-examined by Portuguese police.
By JAMES MURRAY
00:01, Sun, Dec 14, 2014
After British detectives sat in on interviews in Faro with witnesses last week, the Sunday Express can reveal Policia Judiciaria co-ordinator Ana Paula Rito is taking a broader look at leads which may not have been fully pursued.

She is now keen to learn more about the Brazilian couple, who are said to have expressed a strong desire to have a child when they were in the ­Algarve in May 2007 when Madeleine vanished.

The couple, who were staying on a yacht at the marina left shortly after the disappearance and have not been seen again.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/546818/Brazilian-couple-who-wanted-a-child-re-examined-in-Madeleine-hunt


If for nothing other than curiosities sake any investigation worth its salt should have been all over this one.

I don't know what to say.  I thought that I was the only one who actually paid any attention.  And I wasn't frightfully into accusations at the time.

It would be pointless for me now to say what my theories were and actually still are, but as ever still in hope. 

Brazil is a very large Country and very easy in which to lose oneself.

Anyway, by the by.  Thank you for telling me that I was not alone.  Even if no one actually did anything about it.

However, it does tie in with Smithman heading towards the beach and a boat anchored off shore.

Phew.  Stand by for the Sceptic reaction to something that was known of a very long time ago.

[Eleanor]

I am so pleased by something that I thought never mattered to anyone else other than me.  But apparently it did, even if only briefly.

There is nothing to say that Brueckner didn't abduct Madeleine for financial gain after he appears to have said that he had a bad job to do.

Tis hard to tell sometimes.  But I will sleep better tonight than I have when I was forced to contemplate the death of that small child.

[G-Unit]

As far as I know the injunction taken out in the civil court concerned the distribution of Amaral's book.  Was an injunction taken out against him to desist from libel?
Please provide a link to the injunction to which you refer.

the RESPONDENTS being prohibited from the citation, analysis or express commentary, verbal or written, of parts of the book or of the video that defend the proposition of the death of the [missing child] or of the hiding of her body by [the parents].
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/court_docs.htm#court

[G-Unit]

I think you really should attempt to put your intense dislike of Madeleine's parents behind you and move on.

Apart from being crushingly boring it bears no relevance to the direction in which Madeleine's case has progressed.

Ironic isn't it? I find your intense dislike of Amaral crushingly boring and irrelevant.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Ironic isn't it? I find your intense dislike of Amaral crushingly boring and irrelevant.

Do you not find it relevant that three police forces are investigating Madeleine’s abduction?  How can that possibly be when apparently there is no evidence of abduction? 

[Eleanor]

In fifteen years I have never gone to sleep without thinking of Madeleine.  And any other shite that was ongoing at the time.  And there has been some shite.

Perceptions?  Who raises those?  I don't have things like that.  It is only Sceptics who. have perceptions.  And then proceed to abuse them.

In the last four weeks I have seen hypocrisy, the like of which even I would not have believed.  And how bloody dare they.  But I wasn't allowed to question that as a Moderator.  While Gunit rides rough shod. 

There are two sets of rules going on here at the moment, depending on who John feels the most sorry for.   But I can promise you that having your decisions reversed as a Moderator is not a good way to go.  You give up in the end.  And then come back fighting later.

The funniest thing of all is that I have knowledge that I never used when I could have done.  In some semblance of fair play.