Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction

[G-Unit]

you do post some rubbish....I havent seen anyone here claim abduction as a fact. ....just the most likely

you are happy to accept the statements are accurate even though theres no proof they are. Im just waiting to see your reaction when wolters produces his evidence

I think the name of this thread treats "Madeleine's abduction" as a fact.

[Wonderfulspam]

Given the timeline and the movement of people around 5A it would have been almost impossible. Why else would 'the abductor' have been portrayed as the Billy Whiz of the Algarve by some?

People who we know were around;

Matthew Oldham
Gerry McCann
Arlindo Epifanio Goncalves Fernandes Peleja
Jez Wilkins
Jane Tanner
A British holidaymaker carrying his child
Russell O'Brien
The Moyes
Maria Manuela Martins da Silva

All between 9 & 10pm.

Number of witnesses believed they saw Brueckner carrying Maddie away, nil.

Can't say the same thing about her father, so it was probably Brueckner wasn't it.

[Mr Gray]

I think the name of this thread treats "Madeleine's abduction" as a fact.

you are entitled to your opinion but should not treat it as a fact

[jassi]

you do post some rubbish....I havent seen anyone here claim abduction as a fact. ....just the most likely

you are happy to accept the statements are accurate even though theres no proof they are. Im just waiting to see your reaction when wolters produces his evidence

We're all waiting for that day. Certainly a long time in coming.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Given the timeline and the movement of people around 5A it would have been almost impossible. Why else would 'the abductor' have been portrayed as the Billy Whiz of the Algarve by some?

People who we know were around;

Matthew Oldham
Gerry McCann
Arlindo Epifanio Goncalves Fernandes Peleja
Jez Wilkins
Jane Tanner
A British holidaymaker carrying his child
Russell O'Brien
The Moyes
Maria Manuela Martins da Silva

All between 9 & 10pm.

What on earth are you talking about?  Since when does proximity of numerous people to a place or child cancel out the possibility of an abduction?  What is the physical law of science that makes this an impossibility?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Cheryl Grimmer was abducted from a busy shower block on a busy Australian beach with her family close by.  There were hundreds of people around but no one saw her being taken, and no one has ever been charged with her abduction in 45 years.  Does this make her abduction a virtual impossibility and does it mean there was no abductor?  Simple(ton) logic would say no abduction, no abductor. 

[Wonderfulspam]

What on earth are you talking about?  Since when does proximity of numerous people to a place or child cancel out the possibility of an abduction?  What is the physical law of science that makes this an impossibility?

Well, Jane Tanner didn't see the abductor & neither did Dr Totman, but the abductor was already inside the apartment before then.

I wonder what he was doing in the apartment during that time?

Perhaps he waited for his accomplice to signal that the coast was clear & had a bit of difficulty opening the shutters.

[sadie]

The fact is - anyone on here who thinks the police are on the right track is subjected to constant scorn and / or ridicule by:

Spam
Jassi
Barrier
G-Unit
Faith
The General (though he has been quiet recently)
Angelo
John

therefore to claim that we (supporters) are attempting to make abduction the only thing discussed on here is utterly pathetic.  The only thing TO discuss now is the current investigation (unless you want to keep returning like a dog to sick to discuss Gerry touching his nose or swearing on a bus 15 years ago, or Kate refusing to answer the 48 questions) and it just so happens that the current investigation is solely focused on stranger abduction.  If you want to divert the discussion away from that, nothing is stopping you but it's really not a good look IMO.

Don't forget Myster  (Ret Sym).   He is The Generals father IMO'

Myster is an absolute wizard at anything electronic  and loads of other things too.   Oxford educated..   
The General is a whiz kid too IMO .  The self proclaimed youngest poster on  forum and an impressively clever young man.   Just like his father.


Oh, dear !     I keep saying too much.   Now I must wait for my punishment

[barrier]

We're all waiting for that day. Certainly a long time in coming.

Its like the second coming, hang on it'll be here  shortly .

[jassi]

Its like the second coming, hang on it'll be here  shortly .

Is this where we say tick tock ?

[Mr Gray]

Given the timeline and the movement of people around 5A it would have been almost impossible. Why else would 'the abductor' have been portrayed as the Billy Whiz of the Algarve by some?

People who we know were around;

Matthew Oldham
Gerry McCann
Arlindo Epifanio Goncalves Fernandes Peleja
Jez Wilkins
Jane Tanner
A British holidaymaker carrying his child
Russell O'Brien
The Moyes
Maria Manuela Martins da Silva

All between 9 & 10pm.

Almost impossible does not make it unlikely Maddie was abducted

[Wonderfulspam]

It seems rather strange to me that, despite watching the McCanns movements during the week, where the abductor would have learned that they were checking every hour & half hour, that rather than waiting for Gerry to finish his 9pm check, & thus allowing an uninterrupted half hour window of opportunity thereafter, the abductor decides to be present inside the apartment at precisely the same time as Gerry.

Weird.

Oh well, I'm sure there's a perfectly logical & plausible explanation for this.

[jassi]

It seems rather strange to me that, despite watching the McCanns movements during the week, where the abductor would have learned that they were checking every hour & half hour, that rather than waiting for Gerry to finish his 9pm check, & thus allowing an uninterrupted half hour window of opportunity thereafter, the abductor decides to be present inside the apartment at precisely the same time as Gerry.

Weird.

Oh well, I'm sure there's a perfectly logical & plausible explanation for this.

Wasn't that Mitchell's line ?

[sadie]

Given the timeline and the movement of people around 5A it would have been almost impossible. Why else would 'the abductor' have been portrayed as the Billy Whiz of the Algarve by some?

People who we know were around;

Matthew Oldham
Gerry McCann
Arlindo Epifanio Goncalves Fernandes Peleja
Jez Wilkins
Jane Tanner
A British holidaymaker carrying his child
Russell O'Brien
The Moyes
Maria Manuela Martins da Silva

All between 9 & 10pm.

Yep, a one hour period   

ONE HOUR ...  and allegedly nine people around in that period. 

With the exception of Jez Wlkins each person was around for only seconds, certainly less than a minute.   So, being generous to your arguement, some people were around for nine minutes + an overly generous five minutes when Jez chatted to Gerry.   A total of 14 mintes when someone was around.

14 minutes out of 60 minutes.   Therefore 46 minutes when nobody was around.



46+ minutes when no-one was around and likely someone was on the balcony of block 6, watchng and directing things.   Fag ends were found there.  This is immediately opposite 5A with views to both the front door area of 5A and the patio door area at the rear. 

Also views of the Tapas restaurant and wide views of both streets



I repeat There were 46 minutes when no-one was around and given that an abductor had a key, he could be in and out and lifted Madeleine in less than a minute.   


Forget your argument, Gunit; it's worthless given the facts

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don’t know why the troll is so hung up on the idea that the abductor (“what abductor?”) was in the building at the same time as Gerry.  I supoose it’s a good way of heaping ridicule onto the abduction theory but as far as I know, no police force has claimed that this happened.