Author Topic: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction  (Read 85690 times)

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Offline sadie

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #405 on: July 01, 2022, 12:17:18 AM »
Sadie, it’s just Myster’s sense of humour- it’s not meant to be malicious, he /she is just pulling your leg.  Maybe he/she has pulled your leg a bit too hard on occasion but I honestly don’t think they’re a baddie.

ORLY ?

Offline sadie

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #406 on: July 01, 2022, 12:37:51 AM »
I  think attention would have been drawn to a man leaning dangerously off a balcony trying to see round the building to the sea lol.

No need to lean out to see the sea.  Not all of it, but who passing by would stop to assess how much sea he could see.

His purpose IMO was to watch the immediate neighbourhood for parents and others coming and going ... and he wanted not to attract attention if anyone saw him



Offline Myster

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #407 on: July 01, 2022, 06:09:29 AM »
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline jassi

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #408 on: July 01, 2022, 09:10:21 AM »
If you remember something, then you remember something.
I  recall Mr Gray claims to have a phenomenal memory, so nothing odd in that.

I on the other hand tend to forget certain things
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I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #409 on: July 01, 2022, 09:31:58 AM »
If you remember something, then you remember something.
I  recall Mr Gray claims to have a phenomenal memory, so nothing odd in that.

I on the other hand tend to forget certain things
Sorry, who are you?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #410 on: July 01, 2022, 10:05:38 AM »
The most important skill in solving problems is sorting the wheat from the chaff... Some of us have that skill.. Sceptics certainly don't.. In my esteemed opinion

That only works if you know the difference.



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Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #411 on: July 01, 2022, 10:08:24 AM »
No need to lean out to see the sea.  Not all of it, but who passing by would stop to assess how much sea he could see.

His purpose IMO was to watch the immediate neighbourhood for parents and others coming and going ... and he wanted not to attract attention if anyone saw him

You suggested he was 'enjoying sea views', not me.
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« Reply #412 on: July 01, 2022, 10:15:35 AM »
If you remember something, then you remember something.
I  recall Mr Gray claims to have a phenomenal memory, so nothing odd in that.

I on the other hand tend to forget certain things

How memory works is different for everyone. I remember written information very well, but have a poor memory for faces.
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Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #413 on: July 01, 2022, 10:53:22 AM »
That only works if you know the difference.
That's the skill I'm referring to.. Understanding how reliable evidence is.  Being scientifically trained it's part of my education. The statements cannot be relied upon to being accurate because of the way they were taken.. That's not opinion it's fact.  The cadaver alerts have no evidence to support them... Another fact

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #414 on: July 01, 2022, 11:08:32 AM »
How memory works is different for everyone. I remember written information very well, but have a poor memory for faces.
And that is why human memory cannot be relied upon for accuracy when recalling events such as who was where, when, what they looked like, what time it was etc. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

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Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #415 on: July 01, 2022, 11:21:06 AM »
That's the skill I'm referring to.. Understanding how reliable evidence is.  Being scientifically trained it's part of my education. The statements cannot be relied upon to being accurate because of the way they were taken.. That's not opinion it's fact.  The cadaver alerts have no evidence to support them... Another fact

Statements only need to conform with the rules of the judiciary of the country where they are taken. They don't have to conform with your opinion of how they should be taken, and your opinion is just that; an opinion and not a fact.

Once a witness has signed a statement as accurate then the judiciary is entitled to treat the statement as evidence, as are others who read them.



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Offline Eleanor

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #416 on: July 01, 2022, 11:39:41 AM »
Statements only need to conform with the rules of the judiciary of the country where they are taken. They don't have to conform with your opinion of how they should be taken, and your opinion is just that; an opinion and not a fact.

Once a witness has signed a statement as accurate then the judiciary is entitled to treat the statement as evidence, as are others who read them.

That went well in Portugal, didn't it.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #417 on: July 01, 2022, 11:43:42 AM »
And that is why human memory cannot be relied upon for accuracy when recalling events such as who was where, when, what they looked like, what time it was etc.

As demonstrated by the differences in the statements of Gerry McCann, Jane Tanner and Jez Wilkins. Other examples can be seen in the statements of the T9 concerning the visit to the beach on 3rd and the times relating to the men's involvement in the tennis that evening. Fiona Payne was sure that all four men were actually playing tennis at 6.30pm when she arrived back from the beach, but her husband was away from the tennis courts visiting 5A at 6.40pm and then visited his own apartment before returning. Clearly her memory wasn't reliable.
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« Reply #418 on: July 01, 2022, 11:47:19 AM »
That went well in Portugal, didn't it.

The statements remain as part of the body of evidence, whether or not people believe they are accurate.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #419 on: July 01, 2022, 11:51:11 AM »
As demonstrated by the differences in the statements of Gerry McCann, Jane Tanner and Jez Wilkins. Other examples can be seen in the statements of the T9 concerning the visit to the beach on 3rd and the times relating to the men's involvement in the tennis that evening. Fiona Payne was sure that all four men were actually playing tennis at 6.30pm when she arrived back from the beach, but her husband was away from the tennis courts visiting 5A at 6.40pm and then visited his own apartment before returning. Clearly her memory wasn't reliable.
And?  What about the memories of those who "have no reason to lie"?  Are they more reliable in your view?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".