Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction

[jassi]

Read the posts and you will see.

Which particular posts did you have in mind ?

[G-Unit]

The above list was for the 9th of May.  Madeleine vanished on the 3rd May.   

The Totmans arrived on 28th April according to:

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t15166-the-mccann-totman-weinberger-nexus  (much as I hate to use this forum I found the items below interesting.)

They stayed for a fortnight, but were only in block 4 for the second week.  Madeleine vanished during the first week of their stay.  It doesn't state where they stayed for the first week but they must have been staying at OC as they used the creche facilities that week also.   Seems likiely that they were staying in block 6 as we have been lead to believe earlier.   I can see no reason to disbelieve this, can you?

Presumably they wanted to be near friends.


What I am suggesting is that you have presented a page that is from the wrong date, giving false info for the correct date.   Was this deliberate?


You need to put it right.  Alter your posts.  And Myster or any other posters who have used it and created a myth.
Please be fair and do that.

Date 1/05/07 Totman. G4M

[Myster]

Date 1/05/07 Totman. G4M

So the Totmans stayed in Block 4 for two weeks, not just the one.   That blows sadie's obsession with Block 6 out of the water!  But what else can one expect.

[Eleanor]

So the Totmans stayed in Block 4 for two weeks, not just the one.   That blows sadie's obsession with Block 6 out of the water!  But what else can one expect.

Why is this important?  Does it affect the direction in which Totman was walking?

[G-Unit]

So the Totmans stayed in Block 4 for two weeks, not just the one.   That blows sadie's obsession with Block 6 out of the water!  But what else can one expect.

I don't expect anything, but having to find the information to prove someone wrong is a pain. It's not helped by the Ocean Club's incomprehensible record keeping. There were people like the McCanns and Paynes who booked their own flights. They can be identified because there are no flight details on the arrivals list. The Totmans were one such family. They booked from 28 April to 11 May, but only arrived on 29 April in fact.



Anyone who wants their brain fried can read an analysis of the Ocean Club's record keeping system.
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2015/04/irrefutable-proof.html

[G-Unit]

Why is this important?  Does it affect the direction in which Totman was walking?

I think someone is trying to explain where he was going by saying he was going to his apartment in Block 6. He wasn't, he was walking away from his apartment in Block 4. What he was doing in any case, whoever he was and wherever he was going, was walking towards the night creche with that child, not away from it. Unless Jane Tanner got his direction of travel wrong, of course.

[Eleanor]

I think someone is trying to explain where he was going by saying he was going to his apartment in Block 6. He wasn't, he was walking away from his apartment in Block 4. What he was doing in any case, whoever he was and wherever he was going, was walking towards the night creche with that child, not away from it. Unless Jane Tanner got his direction of travel wrong, of course.

Going to the creche at half past nine at night?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Going to the creche at half past nine at night?

Maybe he was off to a swingers party after.

[sadie]

Going to the creche at half past nine at night?

And if The Totmans had already eaten at 7pm, which according to Gunits piece was the sort of time they ate.  ( were there other children? ) why would he take his youngest child to the creche at that time    i.e. about 9.20pm


No there are lies and obfuscation going on here.   At the time we all knew exactly which apartment block he was in ... and that was block 6.


Elli, it is very important that facts do not get changed.   We have seen too much of it on this forum.

Justice cannot take place where there is false information

[Eleanor]

Maybe he was off to a swingers party after.

But The Night Creche closed at 11pm.  Not much time for a swing, was there.  Or anything else.

[G-Unit]

And if The Totmans had already eaten at 7pm, which according to Gunits piece was the sort of time they ate.  ( were there other children? ) why would he take his youngest child to the creche at that time    i.e. about 9.20pm


No there are lies and obfuscation going on here.   At the time we all knew exactly which apartment block he was in ... and that was block 6.


Elli, it is very important that facts do not get changed.   We have seen too much of it on this forum.

Justice cannot take place where there is false information

W

No-one has said anyone was going to the creche, just that this man was going towards the creche, not away from it as Redwood et al claimed.

As to the Totmans, there is ample evidence from the Ocean Club computer records that they spent their whole holiday in Block 4. Their apartment number G4M also appears on the creche records and the Tapas restaurant booking sheets.

Anyone suggesting otherwise is clearly mistaken and has no evidence to support their claim that the Totmans stayed in Block 6. How and why this myth arose and is being peddled I can't imagine, but such myths have been a feature of this case. No evidence? Invent a myth.

[Eleanor]

W

No-one has said anyone was going to the creche, just that this man was going towards the creche, not away from it as Redwood et al claimed.

As to the Totmans, there is ample evidence from the Ocean Club computer records that they spent their whole holiday in Block 4. Their apartment number G4M also appears on the creche records and the Tapas restaurant booking sheets.

Anyone suggesting otherwise is clearly mistaken and has no evidence to support their claim that the Totmans stayed in Block 6. How and why this myth arose and is being peddled I can't imagine, but such myths have been a feature of this case. No evidence? Invent a myth.

Why would Totman be going towards The Creche at that time of night with a sleeping child?

[G-Unit]

Why would Totman be going towards The Creche at that time of night with a sleeping child?

Whoever he was and whatever he was doing, it's pretty obvious he wasn't, despite what was said on Crimewatch, heading home from the night creche carrying his child. The creche was on R. Direta. Blocks 4, 5 and 6 were off R. Agostinho da Silva as marked on my map. The man was, according to JT walking in the direction of my arrow along
R. Agostinho da Silva. If he had collected his child from the creche why was he coming from the opposite direction? Crimewatch misled people imo.

[jassi]

If Tanner got it wrong and he was travelling in the opposite direction, then it would make perfect  sense.

Perhaps this what Grange thought, but didn't wish to openly challenge Tanner, so chose to dismiss her sighting instead.

[Eleanor]

Whoever he was and whatever he was doing, it's pretty obvious he wasn't, despite what was said on Crimewatch, heading home from the night creche carrying his child. The creche was on R. Direta. Blocks 4, 5 and 6 were off R. Agostinho da Silva as marked on my map. The man was, according to JT walking in the direction of my arrow along
R. Agostinho da Silva. If he had collected his child from the creche why was he coming from the opposite direction? Crimewatch misled people imo.

In fact then, Jane Tanner did see someone else.