Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction

[Eleanor]

Believe what you like Sadie, but beliefs can't compete with evidence and you have none.

Nor do you or anyone else on this Forum.

[G-Unit]

My aplogies to you and to Elli.

However, I am sure tho that on the night of the 3rd it closed at around 10pm.  There is quite a lot about it in the statements.

Perhaps someone can find some evidence to help Sadie? I can't.

Jaquesline Williams was there on the evening of 3rd, and she says it closed at 11pm. It was after 10pm when they were told there was a missing child, then they phoned Lindsay Johnson, who said;

from 7.30pm, the Kids Club provides a complementary "dinner" service until 11.30pm...

She indicates that on May 3rd 2007, at around 10.20pm, she was informed by her colleague Amy T. that Madeleine McCann had disappeared...
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LYNSAY-JAYNE.htm

After this, the "missing child procedure" was initiated, which consists of an organised search, spread over different areas of the complex. The witness immediately helped in the searches, whilst her colleague Charlotte remained at the crêche, looking after the other children that were there and waiting for the arrival of the last parents, after which she also began searching.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JACQUELINE_WILLIAMS.htm

[G-Unit]

Nor do you or anyone else on this Forum.

I've got more than Sadie has. 

[Eleanor]

I've got more than Sadie has. 

I wouldn't bank on that if I were you.  Especially as you have just admitted that you can't help Sadie.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I've got more than Sadie has. 

Evidence of what?

[G-Unit]

I wouldn't bank on that if I were you.  Especially as you have just admitted that you can't help Sadie.

I am of the opinion that no evidence exists to support her claims, so I have no intention of looking. Maybe those who share her beliefs can find some? It just involves trawling through the statements of the Nannies;

- Pauline Francis M.
- Emma Louise W.
- Sarah Elizabeth W.
- Susan bernadette O.
- Leanne Danielle W.
- Shinead Maria V.
- Jacqueline Mary W.
- Kirsty Louise M.
- Lynne R.F.
- Catriona Treasa Sisile B.
- Stacey P.
- Lyndsay Jayne J.
- Amy Ellen T.

[Eleanor]

I doubt that anyone can say what time The Creche closed that night with all the fuss going on.  But where was Totman going if he wasn't going to The Creche?

[G-Unit]

I doubt that anyone can say what time The Creche closed that night with all the fuss going on.  But where was Totman going if he wasn't going to The Creche?

Well all three nannies were there at 22.15;

On the 3rd of May 2007, around 22H15, the witness was working during "dinner hour", together with her colleagues Jackie and Amy, when an unknown woman came to them indicating that she was a tourist lodged at the complex and asked them if they had heard about a disappearance of a child, whose name she referred to as "Maggie" or "Maddy";
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CHARLOTTE-PENNINGTON.htm

If the man was Totman he wasn't heading to his apartment. If he was another holidaymaker he wasn't heading away from the night creche. Did OG make a big mistake?

[barrier]

Well all three nannies were there at 22.15;

On the 3rd of May 2007, around 22H15, the witness was working during "dinner hour", together with her colleagues Jackie and Amy, when an unknown woman came to them indicating that she was a tourist lodged at the complex and asked them if they had heard about a disappearance of a child, whose name she referred to as "Maggie" or "Maddy";
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CHARLOTTE-PENNINGTON.htm

If the man was Totman he wasn't heading to his apartment. If he was another holidaymaker he wasn't heading away from the night creche. Did OG make a big mistake?

OG never named Totman,so it could have been any one  but what can be gleamed from whom ever it was he/she saw nothing suspicious that is why the time moved on to smithy.

[Eleanor]

Well all three nannies were there at 22.15;

On the 3rd of May 2007, around 22H15, the witness was working during "dinner hour", together with her colleagues Jackie and Amy, when an unknown woman came to them indicating that she was a tourist lodged at the complex and asked them if they had heard about a disappearance of a child, whose name she referred to as "Maggie" or "Maddy";
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CHARLOTTE-PENNINGTON.htm

If the man was Totman he wasn't heading to his apartment. If he was another holidaymaker he wasn't heading away from the night creche. Did OG make a big mistake?

I suspect that Operation Grange didn't know the layout as well as we did, even in those days.

[G-Unit]

OG never named Totman,so it could have been any one  but what can be gleamed from whom ever it was he/she saw nothing suspicious that is why the time moved on to smithy.

I think there was a good reason for offering up a new story, whether it was the one OG gave or not.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think there was a good reason for offering up a new story, whether it was the one OG gave or not.

And that good reason was...?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well all three nannies were there at 22.15;

On the 3rd of May 2007, around 22H15, the witness was working during "dinner hour", together with her colleagues Jackie and Amy, when an unknown woman came to them indicating that she was a tourist lodged at the complex and asked them if they had heard about a disappearance of a child, whose name she referred to as "Maggie" or "Maddy";
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CHARLOTTE-PENNINGTON.htm

If the man was Totman he wasn't heading to his apartment. If he was another holidaymaker he wasn't heading away from the night creche. Did OG make a big mistake?

Only according to one witness whose memory was certainly not infallible.  Why are you taking it as fact?

[Vertigo Swirl]

OG never named Totman,so it could have been any one  but what can be gleamed from whom ever it was he/she saw nothing suspicious that is why the time moved on to smithy.

Gleamed?  Do you mean gleaned?  Why should what he or she didn't see have any bearing on anything?

[barrier]

Gleamed?  Do you mean gleaned?  Why should what he or she didn't see have any bearing on anything?

I said what they saw not what they didn't . One thing the BKA never said is , what time this alleged abduction occurred , have they ?