Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction

[G-Unit]

I said what they saw not what they didn't . One thing the BKA never said is , what time this alleged abduction occurred , have they ?

According to OG it was between 9.30 and 10pm. An hour and a half after Brueckner (allegedly) finished that phone call.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I said what they saw not what they didn't . One thing the BKA never said is , what time this alleged abduction occurred , have they ?

You said they saw nothing suspicious.  Nothing suspicious = they didn’t see anything.  I repeat my question.  Why should what he or she didn’t see have any bearing on anything?

[Eleanor]

According to OG it was between 9.30 and 10pm. An hour and a half after Brueckner (allegedly) finished that phone call.

So where was he going do you think?

[Myster]

So where was he going do you think?

Tannerman (abductor, if Brueckner) headed towards where one of his vehicles, Jaguar or Westfalia camper, was parked, in the triangular area between Block 6 and the block to the right, say?  Then off to his yellow and white hidey-hole cottage up on the foothills of the Rocha Negra.  Or possibly walked there, although he and his arms would have been mightily tired by then.  Strange way to carry a sleeping child (dead-weight) for a long or even a short distance though, whereas the normal over-the-shoulder position (like Smithman) would be expected if he was a genuine father used to carrying his own three/four-year old.

[jassi]

Tannerman (abductor, if Brueckner) headed towards where one of his vehicles, Jaguar or Westfalia camper, was parked, in the triangular area between Block 6 and the block to the right, say?  Then off to his yellow and white hidey-hole cottage up on the foothills of the Rocha Negra.  Or possibly walked there, although he and his arms would have been mightily tired by then.  Strange way to carry a sleeping child (dead-weight) for a long or even a short distance though, whereas the normal over-the-shoulder position (like Smithman) would be expected if he was a genuine father used to carrying his own three/four-year old.

Not only tiring on the arms but also a strain on the back muscles.

I wonder if that was ever enacted to see how far someone could carry such a load ?

[Myster]

Not only tiring on the arms but also a strain on the back muscles.

I wonder if that was ever enacted to see how far someone could carry such a load ?

Very much doubt it.  OG and Redwood should have questioned exactly why Dr.T was heading in the wrong direction for Block 4 and revealed such on Crimewatch, instead of causing endless frustration for those seriously interested in the case.

[jassi]

Very much doubt it.  OG and Redwood should have questioned exactly why Dr.T was heading in the wrong direction for Block 4 and revealed such on Crimewatch, instead of causing endless frustration for those seriously interested in the case.

Perhaps they knew full well that Totman wasn't travelling in that direction, but it suited their purposes not to say that.
Reputedly they are highly experienced investigators,  not idiots

[Eleanor]

Perhaps they knew full well that Totman wasn't travelling in that direction, but it suited their purposes not to say that.
Reputedly they are highly experienced investigators,  not idiots

That crossed my mind.  Perhaps they didn't want someone to know what they were doing.

[Vertigo Swirl]

And not a peep out of the McCanns or JT about it since.

[G-Unit]

Tannerman (abductor, if Brueckner) headed towards where one of his vehicles, Jaguar or Westfalia camper, was parked, in the triangular area between Block 6 and the block to the right, say?  Then off to his yellow and white hidey-hole cottage up on the foothills of the Rocha Negra.  Or possibly walked there, although he and his arms would have been mightily tired by then.  Strange way to carry a sleeping child (dead-weight) for a long or even a short distance though, whereas the normal over-the-shoulder position (like Smithman) would be expected if he was a genuine father used to carrying his own three/four-year old.

Perhaps a wig, but false eyebrows and moustache? Brueckner no longer lived in that cottage btw.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Perhaps a wig, but false eyebrows and moustache? Brueckner no longer lived in that cottage btw.

Did JT mention a mustache and bushy eyebrows in her initial statement?

[sadie]

Believe what you like Sadie, but beliefs can't compete with evidence and you have none.

Your very comprehensive list of carers.

I am of the opinion that no evidence exists to support her claims, so I have no intention of looking. Maybe those who share her beliefs can find some? It just involves trawling through the statements of the Nannies;

- Pauline Francis M.
- Emma Louise W.
- Sarah Elizabeth W.
- Susan bernadette O.
- Leanne Danielle W.
- Shinead Maria V.
- Jacqueline Mary W.
- Kirsty Louise M.
- Lynne R.F.
- Catriona Treasa Sisile B.
- Stacey P.
- Lyndsay Jayne J.
- Amy Ellen T.

Why did you leave Charlotte Pennington off your list?  She was first on the scene having run there from the night crech.  Perhaps you preferred that her evidence wasn't seen ?

Quite a few things in her statements and face to face reports that you wouldn't like.  One statement translated twice, and the other translated from French, so translated three times.   

The crech did close at 10ish on the 3rd because of hearing that Maddeleine was missing and the staff rushing out to help.   The last parent had come to fetch her child just before 10pm and she was telling of a distraught man running around shouting for Maddie.  Charlotte ran all the way there and I doubt that it took more than a minute

The crech normally closed at 11pm or 11.30 pm according to different witness, so you were right on that one.

[sadie]

-SNIP-
After this, the "missing child procedure" was initiated, which consists of an organised search, spread over different areas of the complex. The witness immediately helped in the searches, whilst her colleague Charlotte remained at the crêche, looking after the other children that were there and waiting for the arrival of the last parents, after which she also began searching.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JACQUELINE_WILLIAMS.htm -SNIP-

That is not according to Charlotte.   She says that she searched with IIRC Amy.

[sadie]

Well all three nannies were there at 22.15;

On the 3rd of May 2007, around 22H15, the witness was working during "dinner hour", together with her colleagues Jackie and Amy, when an unknown woman came to them indicating that she was a tourist lodged at the complex and asked them if they had heard about a disappearance of a child, whose name she referred to as "Maggie" or "Maddy";
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CHARLOTTE-PENNINGTON.htm

If the man was Totman he wasn't heading to his apartment. If he was another holidaymaker he wasn't heading away from the night creche. Did OG make a big mistake?

I think he was and correct information that was around at the time has now ben altered

But, without wasting hours, I cannot any longer prove that.


Far too much stuff on this forum gets altered.   Seems certain folk on the other side don't care about Justice.

[G-Unit]

Your very comprehensive list of carers.


Why did you leave Charlotte Pennington off your list?  She was first on the scene having run there from the night crech.  Perhaps you preferred that her evidence wasn't seen ?

Quite a few things in her statements and face to face reports that you wouldn't like.  One statement translated twice, and the other translated from French, so translated three times.   

The crech did close at 10ish on the 3rd because of hearing that Maddeleine was missing and the staff rushing out to help.   The last parent had come to fetch her child just before 10pm and she was telling of a distraught man running around shouting for Maddie.  Charlotte ran all the way there and I doubt that it took more than a minute

The crech normally closed at 11pm or 11.30 pm according to different witness, so you were right on that one.

Are you saying the staff abandoned the not yet collected children? Not according to Jacqueline. The woman who told them the news? According to Charlotte;

On the 3rd of May 2007, around 22H15, the witness was working during "dinner hour", together with her colleagues Jackie and Amy, when an unknown woman came to them indicating that she was a tourist lodged at the complex and asked them if they had heard about a disappearance of a child, whose name she referred to as "Maggie" or "Maddy"...

Amy contacted via telephone her supervisor, Lyndsay, who informed her that Madeleine had indeed disappeared;
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CHARLOTTE-PENNINGTON.htm

Has all your information been provided by others Sadie?  None of your beliefs seem to be supported by evidence. Mind you, I recall a very early report that the alarm was raised at 9.45.