Brueckner charged with sexual offences in cases unrelated to Madeleine

[Eleanor]

I'm getting a bit mixed up with all the underworld associates we know of who have given police information about Brueckner's involvement in crimes against women and children.

I think by now there must be many more we haven't heard about who have provided intelligence or even evidence to the inquiry.  There are also the silent witnesses visible in Brueckner's porn collection, some of which has come into police hands.

But Helge Busching represents a real lost chance in solving Madeleine's case years before he contacted Operation Grange from Greece.

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Greek media reported this summer that their police said he wanted to speak to British cops. Grange detectives flew to Athens to question Busching in 2017.

According to an internal Greek police report, Busching’s information was described as “given voluntarily and without monetary or other consideration”.

It added that it had been “cross-checked and is considered a reliable source”. It also revealed how Busching had tried to report his concerns to the Portuguese police but had been fobbed off.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12638463/witness-mccann-guilty-christian-b/

Busching and Brueckner were at a kite festival in Spain when Brueckner confessed his involvement.  This was in 2008 by which time Madeleine had been written off by the Portuguese police and Busching "fobbed off" by them when he tried to report what he knew.

How many times have I read that Cite now?

[Vertigo Swirl]

So appalled that he waited years to tell the police.

According to Busching he told the polce about Brückner’s confession and activities and they fobbed him off.  That has a ring of truth to me, knowing how keen the PJ were to fob off others with potentially vital information that didn’t chime with their own preconceived notions.

[Vertigo Swirl]

How many times have I read that Cite now?

They don’t want to know, it doesn’t matter how often it’s repeated.  Sceptics, like the PJ, just fob off any information that doesn’t chime with their preconceived notions.

[Eleanor]

They don’t want to know, it doesn’t matter how often it’s repeated.  Sceptics, like the PJ, just fob off any information that doesn’t chime with their preconceived notions.

It certainly makes you wonder.  It must be on every Thread involving Brueckner and a few that don't.

[Brietta]

It certainly makes you wonder.  It must be on every Thread involving Brueckner and a few that don't.

There is something called common knowledge.

Irrespectively of how often cites are posted or from how many different sources, they are just impenetrable to those who accept nothing which doesn't carry the Amaral imprimatur.  Although I get the impression that cartooned vehicles and dreadlocks have been somewhat sidelined for the time being.  Is the "patsy" thing still on the go?

[Vertigo Swirl]

It certainly makes you wonder.  It must be on every Thread involving Brueckner and a few that don't.

I guess it suits sceptics (aka Brückner aplogists)  to believe that no crime has ever been solved by one criminal lowlife dobbing another criminal in it, though there must be literally millions of incidences of such, whether they were incentizised or not, whether they waited years to spill the beans or not. 

[faithlilly]

It is interesting that all those who say they were ‘fobbed off’ by the PJ always seem to say it in some tabloid or other. What was it Busching’s criminal compadre Seyferth said in the Discovery+ documentary ‘ he’d do anything for money’.

It would appear that it’s a sin on the forum not to be utterly gullible when it comes to a) paid for tabloid articles and b) people trafficking criminals with a charge sheet as long as your arm.

[Brietta]

I guess it suits sceptics (aka Brückner apologists)  to believe that no crime has ever been solved by one criminal lowlife dobbing another criminal in it, though there must be literally millions of incidences of such, whether they were incentizised or not, whether they waited years to spill the beans or not.

“Everyone thinks murders are solved by CSI type techniques such as fingerprinting, blood spatter analysis and so on but actually, sometimes murders are solved by someone banging on the door and doing the basic, traditional policing techniques. They are still the bedrock of those investigations."  Dr Graham Hill
 https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20075456/murder-detective-madeleine-mccann-christian-b-graham-hill/



We have been told that Brueckner actually was on police radar early days.  They did bang on his door as a start, but for some reason or other they did not follow through.

One wonders was it because the police focus was so firmly fixed on Madeleine's parents that paedophiles/burglars were relegated and never given another thought.

Busching didn't know about Brueckner's claims until 2008 when he was apparently ignored by the police when he tried to report it. But even if any of the locally active criminal population had any suspicion of Bruckner, would the police have paid the slightest attention had they reported him.

I think not.

Because as far as they were concerned, they already had their woman!

When Brueckner's name first became known to us, Amaral was in the process of penning his second book still firmly pointing an accusing finger at people long since eliminated from any police inquiry. 
The fact that obsession still ruled him and through him many others so many years down the line, suggests that the intransigence which dominated Madeleine's case right from the start actually did prevent any chance of solution. 

Seems 'traditional policing techniques' Portuguese style, just weren't up to the job.  Without Madeleine's case still being active and the German police alerted to him as a result, I think Brueckner would still be bouncing about from one end of Europe to the next totally in his element.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It is interesting that all those who say they were ‘fobbed off’ by the PJ always seem to say it in some tabloid or other. What was it Busching’s criminal compadre Seyferth said in the Discovery+ documentary ‘ he’d do anything for money’.

It would appear that it’s a sin on the forum not to be utterly gullible when it comes to a) paid for tabloid articles and b) people trafficking criminals with a charge sheet as long as your arm.

So you’re of the view that the Greek, German and  Portuguese authorities are “utterly gullible” then.  I see.  Where else would you expect to find out the views of those involved in this case, if not in the media?  Would you find it more credible if I told you that I was told about being fobbed off personally by these individuals?  Out of interest what do you think Seyferth’s motivation was for dobbing his old chum Bruckner in it then, seeing as you appear to take his views more seriously?   And, stop being a coward and engage with me directly, not slyly. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

What people like Faithlilly keep on forgetting is that Busching and Seyferth’s information on CB (certainly with regard to his raping and taping activities) has already been accepted in a law court and without it a rapist would likely still be on the prowl raping women and possibly children too.

[G-Unit]

According to Busching he told the polce about Brückner’s confession and activities and they fobbed him off.  That has a ring of truth to me, knowing how keen the PJ were to fob off others with potentially vital information that didn’t chime with their own preconceived notions.

People said, usually to the media, that they were fobbed off. Imo they either were, or they needed to justify approaching the media instead of the police. I don't know which of those is the truth, and I don't see how you can know. To take just one example the two sisters who saw two blonde men on a balcony claimed the police ignored them, but at the same time the PJ listened to another holidaymaker who saw someone with dreadlocks and they investigated what he said. Why would they listen to one person and not to another?

[Eleanor]

People said, usually to the media, that they were fobbed off. Imo they either were, or they needed to justify approaching the media instead of the police. I don't know which of those is the truth, and I don't see how you can know. To take just one example the two sisters who saw two blonde men on a balcony claimed the police ignored them, but at the same time the PJ listened to another holidaymaker who saw someone with dreadlocks and they investigated what he said. Why would they listen to one person and not to another?

Was that where Amaral got the idea about dreadlocks?

[Vertigo Swirl]

People said, usually to the media, that they were fobbed off. Imo they either were, or they needed to justify approaching the media instead of the police. I don't know which of those is the truth, and I don't see how you can know. To take just one example the two sisters who saw two blonde men on a balcony claimed the police ignored them, but at the same time the PJ listened to another holidaymaker who saw someone with dreadlocks and they investigated what he said. Why would they listen to one person and not to another?

Sloppiness?  Sexism?  Racism?  PS: notice how I always respond to your posts when directed at me, which contrasts very much with how very seldom you respond to mine when directed at you. 

[barrier]

How many times have I read that Cite now?

Seriously you believe the Sun, for years we read the "The Truth", or its version of what happened at Hillsborough, all turned out to be bollox.

[faithlilly]

People said, usually to the media, that they were fobbed off. Imo they either were, or they needed to justify approaching the media instead of the police. I don't know which of those is the truth, and I don't see how you can know. To take just one example the two sisters who saw two blonde men on a balcony claimed the police ignored them, but at the same time the PJ listened to another holidaymaker who saw someone with dreadlocks and they investigated what he said. Why would they listen to one person and not to another?

Indeed.

If they had been ‘fobbed off’ by the PJ why not approach a British police force and if they did approach a British force surely they shouldn’t have then been taking that information to the tabloids.

I wonder what could have been their motivation?