Brueckner charged with sexual offences in cases unrelated to Madeleine

[Gertrude]

Also, it’s clear the German police charge no-one unless they think they'll get a conviction.

I've seen that repeated often enough but to what degree?   There must be a certain percentage of cases that don't result in conviction. I would think it's similar to the CPS in the UK and we all know that there are cases where the charges don't stick. According to Wikipedia, only 8% of rape trials end in a conviction in Germany.

I found this explanation of indictment;

'An indictment is brought if, after a criminal investigation, a public prosecutor comes to the conclusion that the probability of a conviction is higher than the probability of an acquittal (so-called sufficient grounds for suspicion).'

https://criminal-law-germany.lawyer/criminal-indictment/

[Gertrude]

There’s patsys and then there’s perfect patsys.  Is discussing CB’s suitability as a suspect in this case off topic?  OK, what else can we talk about?

Amaral believing Brueckner is a patsy isn't anything to do with these current charges is it? . I thought the current charges against Brueckner is the topic of this thread.

[Wonderfulspam]

Also, it’s clear the German police charge no-one unless they think they'll get a conviction.

With that in mind then, added to the fact that Wolters can't see Brueckner being charged anytime in the foreseeable future, what does this tell us about the strength of his concrete evidence?
When you come up with the answer then let the rest of the forum know, because they're still struggling with that conundrum.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Amaral believing Brueckner is a patsy isn't anything to do with these current charges is it? . I thought the current charges against Brueckner is the topic of this thread.

you brought up doubts about his suitability as a suspect, I pointed out that Amaral figured he was an eminently suitable suspect, that was all.

[Gertrude]

you brought up doubts about his suitability as a suspect, I pointed out that Amaral figured he was an eminently suitable suspect, that was all.

From what I've read Amaral is saying he's a crap patsy in his opinion who's being shoe-horned into various crimes. That's not the same as him being a useful patsy to whoever may want him to be one, who would have their own ideas as to what mould he needs to fit.
  Having said all that, I don't believe German police would be involved in 'fitting him up' for the McCann case. I can see absolutely no point in them doing such a thing.

[Brietta]

Everyone is speculating here as far as I can see because none of us knows what the evidence is. Members on here have guessed at what the evidence might be.  Personally, I don't see any need to 'move over' if what you mean by that is to stop discussing it.

You are speculating on the content of my post and may I inform you that your speculation is a misinterpretation in which you have got my meaning wrong.  Which illustrates how valueless speculation actually is.

Nor is there any need for speculation regarding the thread on which we are currently posting.  It is a very easy one.

"Brueckner charged with sexual offences in cases unrelated to Madeleine". 

We know the five offences with which he has been charged and we know the circumstances surrounding each case; some of it in quite graphic detail although the two added rapes are a fairly recent introduction and may have come as a surprise to some.

The charges involve offences committed between 2000 and 2017.  That is a seventeen year binge of offences for which there is enough evidence to allow indictment.  My speculation is that these are the ones that are known about, but how many are known about but there is no evidence to support charges being laid and how many similar crimes have been committed and are not known about?

[Brietta]

I've seen that repeated often enough but to what degree?   There must be a certain percentage of cases that don't result in conviction. I would think it's similar to the CPS in the UK and we all know that there are cases where the charges don't stick. According to Wikipedia, only 8% of rape trials end in a conviction in Germany.

I found this explanation of indictment;

'An indictment is brought if, after a criminal investigation, a public prosecutor comes to the conclusion that the probability of a conviction is higher than the probability of an acquittal (so-called sufficient grounds for suspicion).'

https://criminal-law-germany.lawyer/criminal-indictment/

We shall just have to wait and see then, won't we.

The important thing is that there is sufficient evidence to justify charges being brought against Brueckner.  How that is judged and the outcome of that judgement is what is known as 'justice being served' and there are no certainties as to what the outcome may be in a fair society.

[Brietta]

Amaral believing Brueckner is a patsy isn't anything to do with these current charges is it? . I thought the current charges against Brueckner is the topic of this thread.

I will be amazed if at some stage in the proceedings the defence doesn't raise the accusation that he is a patsy.  They are going to have find something to use.

Depends whether or not Brueckner's alibi turns up trumps.

By the way, if you have concerns regarding off topic posts, or any other infringements, do please report them.

[Brietta]

Possible trial of Maddie suspects not before 2023
12.10.2022
BRAUNSCHWEIG. Probably only in 2023, the 45-Year-old could come to court. He is accused of aggravated rape in three cases and two cases of abuse.

The German, who is also suspected in the case of the missing girl Maddie, will no longer have to face a trial this year on other allegations of sexual offences. Such proceedings will not begin before 2023, the Braunschweig Regional Court announced on Wednesday.
The competent criminal chamber will now examine in a so-called interim procedure whether the indictment will be admitted and the main proceedings will be opened, it said.

On Tuesday, the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office had filed charges against the 45-year-old German. He is accused of three counts of aggravated rape and two counts of child sexual abuse. He is said to have committed the acts between the end of December 2000 and June 2017 in Portugal.
https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/braunschweig/article236654441/Moeglicher-Prozess-gegen-Maddie-Verdaechtigen-startet-nicht-vor-2023.html

[Vertigo Swirl]

From what I've read Amaral is saying he's a crap patsy in his opinion who's being shoe-horned into various crimes. That's not the same as him being a useful patsy to whoever may want him to be one, who would have their own ideas as to what mould he needs to fit.
  Having said all that, I don't believe German police would be involved in 'fitting him up' for the McCann case. I can see absolutely no point in them doing such a thing.

No, Amaral said he was the almost perfect patsy, the only thing preventing him from being perfect is that he isn’t dead

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8445467/Maddie-McCann-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-scapegoat-says-Portuguese-detective.html

[Brietta]

Madeleine McCann case now sole focus of probe team - but quick breakthrough 'unlikely'
German investigators have dismissed reports that convicted paedophile Christian Brueckner could be charged by Christmas over Madeleine McCann's 2007 disappearance

ByMartin FrickerNews Reporter
18:19, 12 Oct 2022

Investigators into the Madeleine McCann disappearance are now focusing solely on her case but a breakthrough this year is “unlikely”, German prosecutors say.

They have dismissed reports that convicted paedophile Christian Brueckner could be charged by Christmas over her 2007 disappearance in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

Brueckner, 45, was charged on Tuesday with five sex crimes allegedly carried out in Portugal from 2000 to 2017.

He is currently serving a seven-year prison term for rape and is not expected to stand trial on the new charges until next summer.

German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said it was “unlikely” he will be charged over Madeleine’s disappearance ahead of the trial.

The Braunschweig-based official told the Mirror: “Anything is possible, but it is unlikely, at least in terms of time.”

But he revealed investigators are now working “solely” on the Madeleine probe after completing their work on the other cases. Parents Kate and Gerry McCann, of Rothley, Leics, remain hopeful that their daughter is still alive.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-case-now-sole-28223780

[Wonderfulspam]

No way.
I had it on good authority via Jon Clarke, from a source in the BKA no less, that charges were due before Christmas. Well this is just disappointing. I'm beginning to lose faith in The Olive Press.

[Eleanor]

Seventeen years of a crimewave in Portugal and no one noticed?  Who was doing this is by the by at the moment.  Somebody was, while no one thought it was important enough to investigate.  What a disgrace.

[Wonderfulspam]

Seventeen years of a crimewave in Portugal and no one noticed?  Who was doing this is by the by at the moment.  Somebody was, while no one thought it was important enough to investigate.  What a disgrace.

5 crimes in 17 years doesn't sound like much of a wave to me.
More like a trickle really.

[Wonderfulspam]

"no one thought it was important enough to investigate."

Well that isn't true.

Take the rape of the granny, for starters.

How was Brueckner's hair ever recovered from the scene if there was no investigation?

The fact is the PJ did investigate, they recovered a hair, but since Brueckner's DNA wasn't on file, & he took measures to conceal his identity, why should the PJ have suspected Brueckner in particular, at that time?

No good reason, is there.

It wasn't until Busching & the other crook told German cops about the rape video that any link to that particular crime could be established.  No way the PJ could have known about that in advance really is there.