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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Remit of SY
« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2022, 08:48:40 PM »
Thank you for your contribution to this community.

You're most welcome dearest.
Now, rather than continually raking old ground & tearing lumps out of each other, I suggest we all just sit & wait patiently & peacefully until the next exciting developments in the Maddie case, or the unrelated charges against Christian B, or the McCanns appeal to the ECHR. Whichever comes first. It's been nearly 3 months since the ECHR verdict so there might be news either way before the new year & we'll at least have something new to argue about.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The Remit of SY
« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2022, 11:52:11 AM »
I don't live in Britain and haven't done so for thirty years, so no one's Remit is of all that importance to me.

Fortunately Bueckner is now the responsibility of Germany after Portugal failed so miserably.

The sad thing is that there was ever any contention either about Operation Grange having to be set up in the first instance or about the remit.

In all of this what seems to be of no importance is that a little girl vanished off the face of the earth and that after an initial search the investigators stopped looking for her.

Nobody but her parents kept up the investigation into her disappearance.  Despite lip service to the contrary the police who should have been the investigative authority had long since written her off.

It is risible that the bone of contention for some is not that dereliction of duty to which Madeleine's case was subject ~ but the 'remit' of the official case of which she was at the centre became the all consuming focus of a rump which had never wanted her looked for at all.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: The Remit of SY
« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2022, 04:53:22 PM »
The sad thing is that there was ever any contention either about Operation Grange having to be set up in the first instance or about the remit.

In all of this what seems to be of no importance is that a little girl vanished off the face of the earth and that after an initial search the investigators stopped looking for her.

Nobody but her parents kept up the investigation into her disappearance.  Despite lip service to the contrary the police who should have been the investigative authority had long since written her off.

It is risible that the bone of contention for some is not that dereliction of duty to which Madeleine's case was subject ~ but the 'remit' of the official case of which she was at the centre became the all consuming focus of a rump which had never wanted her looked for at all.

Much as you prefer to deny it, there is no evidence pointing to abduction being the only crime which should have been investigated.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Remit of SY
« Reply #48 on: November 19, 2022, 05:19:35 PM »
Much as you prefer to deny it, there is no evidence pointing to abduction being the only crime which should have been investigated.
What do you know about it?
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Remit of SY
« Reply #49 on: November 19, 2022, 06:16:15 PM »
What do you know about it?

The glaringly obvious.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Remit of SY
« Reply #50 on: November 19, 2022, 07:08:27 PM »
The fact that there are people on here who think that the Files represents the sum total of evidence in this case is absolutely laughable, frankly.  It may have escaped your notice but the files only covers the PJ investigation up to 2008.  There have been thousands and thousands of man hours devoted to the case since then by Portuguese, German and British police, gathering information most of which will not have been put in the public domain, but do carry on believing y’all know everything about everything even if it does make you look like utter clods.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The Remit of SY
« Reply #51 on: November 19, 2022, 08:30:23 PM »
Much as you prefer to deny it, there is no evidence pointing to abduction being the only crime which should have been investigated.

Your post indicates a bit of a closed mind to the theory which drives your opinion which was debunked in short order immediately the forensic report from the FSS was released.

That constitutes a monumental feat of denial which apparently blinds you to exactly how professional investigators conduct their business in accordance with working to their remit.


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October 24, 2013
Prosecutors announced on Thursday the reopening of the investigation into the disappearance of British child Madeleine McCann, after the Judicial Police presented new evidence.
"A note from the Attorney General's Office (PGR) said that the Public Prosecutor 's Office (MP) ordered the reopening of the investigation into the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann, according to the criminal procedural law that says that "the investigation can only be reopened if new evidence emerges that invalidate the grounds put forward by the MP in the order of filing" of the case.

The PGR announced on 21 July 2008 that the MP had filed the inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and raised the condition of the defendant to the parents of the English minor and Robert Murat (British who lived in the Algarve), noting that he could reopen the case if "new evidence" emerged, which has now occurred.
Please note, that the work carried out by Operation Grange over the year they had been officially reviewing Madeleine's disappearance, was of sufficient standard to convince them that there were many avenues worthy of investigation and to convince the Portuguese investigative authorities of the validity of reopening the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance.
 
"At the time, it was learned that a group of six officers from the Faro delegation was formed to assist the British unit responsible for the "Operation Grange" of the Metropolitan Police, which is reviewing all the clues related to the case after the intervention of the British Prime Minister, David Cameron.  It seems that the Portuguese were also hand in glove with Grange reviewing the information relating to Madeleine's case in parallel to Operation Grange. So there you have it.  Essentially, two independent reviews utilising the same resources into the same incident concur, one with the other that further investigation is required.

"Portugal was one of 31 countries to which their respective authorities were sent a letter rogatory with a request for assistance regarding elements that the British police wish to see clarified, related to persons or telephone data.   The British police quite obviously went back to basics in their review.  They obviously checked what investigative work had been done.  But more importantly, they carried out checks which had not been carried out in the first instance.  With rogatory letters being sent to thirty one countries, I think that can only be classed as being the result of an exhaustively thorough investigation.

"Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said British police are trying to find the owners of the mobile phones identified as having been in the area and at the time of the disappearance.  That is certainly of interest in the light of current events when one considers that one of those named at that time was Christian Brueckner.

"In June, British police announced the existence of "38 people of interest" who wished to question, including several Portuguese.
They are people who were in a radius of the place of disappearance and who there are reasons to suspect. It takes a little more than circumstantial issues," Redwood explained.
The 12 Britons initially identified have meanwhile joined three more, who are already being investigated, but which the inspector believes will "possibly be eliminated" soon from the list.
Scotland Yard, working on the case for a year, is confident it has found relevant "new information" based on the 40,000 documents and leads collected by police in Portugal, the UK and eight different private detective companies.
https://www.record.pt/fora-de-campo/detalhe/mp-reabre-inquerito-sobre-desaparecimento-de-maddie-850508
Operation Grange used every tool in their box to get results.  Nota Bene that as well as ruling people in, one of their main investigative aims was ruling people out.  Your abduction denial fixation is risible in the extreme when one takes the nature of the multifarious investigative tasks Operation Grange had to perform. 

October 24, 2013
Maddie case: New clues rule out parents' guilt
Rogério Alves, lawyer for the parents of the English child, spoke to Lusa about the reopening of the investigation by the public prosecutor Portuguese and was asked about the possibility that Gerry and Kate MaCann could be again constituted defendants.
"The family has been informed that the new evidence does not indicate the accountability of [Madeleine's] parents," the lawyer said.
https://www.record.pt/fora-de-campo/detalhe/caso-maddie-novos-indicios-afastam-culpa-dos-pais-850548?ref=Detalhe_Relacionadas
It really is well beyond time that sceptics and theorists join the mainstream cache of knowledge built over the years in the Madeleine McCann investigation and accept the fact that not only did Operation Grange fulfil their remit, they did so with style.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: The Remit of SY
« Reply #52 on: November 19, 2022, 08:35:02 PM »
What do you know about it?

In my estimation Gunit's posts tend to establish that she knows only what she wants to know.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: The Remit of SY
« Reply #53 on: November 19, 2022, 09:18:23 PM »
In my estimation Gunit's posts tend to establish that she knows only what she wants to know.

But there isn't anything to know that points to the McCann's involvement.  And there never has been.

Offline Angelo222

Re: The Remit of SY
« Reply #54 on: November 19, 2022, 09:31:20 PM »
But there isn't anything to know that points to the McCann's involvement.  And there never has been.

That's quite a stretch imo.  There's loads of evidence that put the McCanns in the frame and that's why the PJ went after them. None of it has been disproved even now.

Kate McCanns conduct when questioned by the Portuguese Police has always bothered me. Who acts in such a manner when your child has disappeared. If she had nothing to hide she should have fully cooperated with the detectives instead of giving no comment answers. She certainly did herself no favours by what she did and merely drew more attention to herself. All imho of course.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: The Remit of SY
« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2022, 09:36:09 PM »
That's quite a stretch imo.  There's loads of evidence that put the McCanns in the frame and that's why the PJ went after them. None of it has been disproved even now.

Kate McCanns conduct when questioned by the Portuguese Police has always bothered me. Who a ts in such a way when your child disappears?

Did The PJ find anything against The McCanns?

Offline Angelo222

Re: The Remit of SY
« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2022, 09:37:54 PM »
Did The PJ find anything against The McCanns?

I don't know, they never told me.  Maddie is still missing and the Portuguese Supreme Court stated that they (McCanns) have not been cleared.

Read into that what you want.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2022, 09:40:00 PM by Angelo222 »
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Offline Eleanor

Re: The Remit of SY
« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2022, 09:43:10 PM »
I don't know, they never told me.  Maddie is still missing and the Portuguese Supreme Court stated that they (McCanns) have not been cleared.

Read into that what you want.

I don't have to read anything into that.  There is no evidence against The McCanns.  And they haven't even been so much as arrested.

Offline misty

Re: The Remit of SY
« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2022, 10:20:48 PM »
Much as you prefer to deny it, there is no evidence pointing to abduction being the only crime which should have been investigated.

Abduction was the only remit SY could legally work upon imo.
There was no evidence anyone had killed or sexually abused Madeleine.
Madeleine was a ward of court and there was no evidence of parental abduction. SY would have been acting in Madeleine's interests, not the parents.

Offline Brietta

Re: The Remit of SY
« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2022, 10:26:55 PM »
That's quite a stretch imo.  There's loads of evidence that put the McCanns in the frame and that's why the PJ went after them. None of it has been disproved even now.

Kate McCanns conduct when questioned by the Portuguese Police has always bothered me. Who acts in such a manner when your child has disappeared. If she had nothing to hide she should have fully cooperated with the detectives instead of giving no comment answers. She certainly did herself no favours by what she did and merely drew more attention to herself. All imho of course.

may 7, 2007

The criminalist criticized the fact that the searches made by the authorities were limited to land, remembering how easy it would be to take the girl to a boat that was anchored nearby.

José Barra da Costa lamented that an affair with a girl occurred again in the Algarve, remembering the "Joana affair".

"I hope this case will be different!
The 'Joana case' is an example of how to do an investigation, but the other way around."

https://barlavento.sapo.pt/arquivo/criminalista-barra-da-costa-acredita-que-sequestrador-de-maddie-e-ingles

Unfortunately José Barra da Costa's hope that Madeleine's case would be conducted differently from the "Joana affair" didn't quite work out. 

Luckily though from Kate's point of view, is that the PJ were frustrated by their inability to use the tried and tested interview technique which usually got them their result. 

Not so lucky for Madeleine when one takes into consideration the ineptitude described by da Costa's of investigators deciding their outcome then looking for the evidence to back it up.
Which resulted in it taking six years before Operation Grange being allowed the remit to carry out the professional job the Portuguese proved incapable of doing.

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....