The Remit of SY

[Vertigo Swirl]

It was an investigative review and whatever it was doing the crime was abduction..

Just admit it: the investigation did not recommence until the review was completed.  Had the review of ALL the information revealed that abduction was the least likely scenario do you REALLY believe the Maet would have gone on to spend 10 years investigating something that they knew probably didn’t happen?  Seriously?  Don’t fob me off, give me a straight answer.

[G-Unit]

Just admit it: the investigation did not recommence until the review was completed.  Had the review of ALL the information revealed that abduction was the least likely scenario do you REALLY believe the Maet would have gone on to spend 10 years investigating something that they knew probably didn’t happen?  Seriously?  Don’t fob me off, give me a straight answer.

The review wasn't completed until 2015.

[Brietta]

The review wasn't completed until 2015.

As usual you have got it wrong.

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On 12 May 2011 the Met announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the Met’s jurisdiction.

Investigative review
The Met’s involvement, known as Operation Grange, is led by the Specialist Crime Command unit and involved, in the first instance, an ‘investigative review’.  This was a review of all of the investigations that had been previously conducted into the circumstances of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

Ongoing investigation
In July 2013 the status of the Met’s enquiries changed to that of an investigation, working with the Portuguese authorities to pursue specific lines of enquiry.

The Portuguese authorities retain the lead and the Met continues to work in support of them.

The Home Office continues to fund Operation Grange.

https://www.met.police.uk/notices/met/operation-grange/

[Vertigo Swirl]

The review wasn't completed until 2015.

So, you can’t admit you were wrong and you can’t give a straight answer, ‘twas ever thus.

[Vertigo Swirl]

As usual you have got it wrong.

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On 12 May 2011 the Met announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the Met’s jurisdiction.

Investigative review
The Met’s involvement, known as Operation Grange, is led by the Specialist Crime Command unit and involved, in the first instance, an ‘investigative review’.  This was a review of all of the investigations that had been previously conducted into the circumstances of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

Ongoing investigation
In July 2013 the status of the Met’s enquiries changed to that of an investigation, working with the Portuguese authorities to pursue specific lines of enquiry.

The Portuguese authorities retain the lead and the Met continues to work in support of them.

The Home Office continues to fund Operation Grange.

https://www.met.police.uk/notices/met/operation-grange/

that’s the third time that cite has been given on this forum, no doubt it will be ignored for a third time too.

[Brietta]

that’s the third time that cite has been given on this forum, no doubt it will be ignored for a third time too.

I think the point is that whatever remit Operation Grange were initially given at the review stage, was accomplished and subject to change when the work carried out by the review revealed many avenues which justified a full blown police investigation.

The fact that this was funded by the Home Office was probably right and proper as it would have financially crippled Madeleine's local force and wouldn't have done the Met budget much good either.

It is clear that the investigation proper started in 2013.  It is clear that the funding for it is still in place for at least the time being.  It is clear that the BKA are continuing their investigation into Madeleine's disappearance.

So whatever one cares to think about remits it is quite plain that whatever remits Operation Grange have been working to, has resulted in the emergence of a prime suspect which is progress brought about by dogged determination.

[Eleanor]

Never The Twain Will Meet, it seems to me.  But most of us are improving our English skills, so not a complete waste of time.

Brueckner will certainly go down for the two Child Sexual Abuse Charges.  Witnesses and a Police Arrest.  Not sure if the so called Remit came into the finding of these.  But they appear to have been On Record for quite a while.

The Rapes might be a bit more tricky, although I am sure that they happened.

[Wonderfulspam]

Never The Twain Will Meet, it seems to me.  But most of us are improving our English skills, so not a complete waste of time.

Brueckner will certainly go down for the two Child Sexual Abuse Charges.  Witnesses and a Police Arrest.  Not sure if the so called Remit came into the finding of these.  But they appear to have been On Record for quite a while.

The Rapes might be a bit more tricky, although I am sure that they happened.

No, I'm sorry Eleanor, I'm not having this. Christian Brueckner is innocent of all charges until proven guilty in a court of law.

[G-Unit]

As usual you have got it wrong.

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On 12 May 2011 the Met announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the Met’s jurisdiction.

Investigative review
The Met’s involvement, known as Operation Grange, is led by the Specialist Crime Command unit and involved, in the first instance, an ‘investigative review’.  This was a review of all of the investigations that had been previously conducted into the circumstances of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

Ongoing investigation
In July 2013 the status of the Met’s enquiries changed to that of an investigation, working with the Portuguese authorities to pursue specific lines of enquiry.

The Portuguese authorities retain the lead and the Met continues to work in support of them.

The Home Office continues to fund Operation Grange.

https://www.met.police.uk/notices/met/operation-grange/

The review was (almost) finished in 2015, and the numbers taking part in OG were reduced to four.

In a statement, police said the vast majority of the work reviewing all the material collated since May 2007 has now been completed and encompasses more than 40,000 documents from UK and foreign law enforcement agencies, as well as various private investigation companies.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/28/met-reduces-officers-madeleine-mccann-case-29-to-four

[Vertigo Swirl]

The review was (almost) finished in 2015, and the numbers taking part in OG were reduced to four.

In a statement, police said the vast majority of the work reviewing all the material collated since May 2007 has now been completed and encompasses more than 40,000 documents from UK and foreign law enforcement agencies, as well as various private investigation companies.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/28/met-reduces-officers-madeleine-mccann-case-29-to-four

The investigation began in 2013, not when the review began which is what you claimed.  The end.

[Lace]

The review was (almost) finished in 2015, and the numbers taking part in OG were reduced to four.

In a statement, police said the vast majority of the work reviewing all the material collated since May 2007 has now been completed and encompasses more than 40,000 documents from UK and foreign law enforcement agencies, as well as various private investigation companies.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/28/met-reduces-officers-madeleine-mccann-case-29-to-four

Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in May 2007 have been working through material and following investigative inquiries since the Home Office requested a review of the case in May 2011. Operation Grange is working to support the Portuguese investigation and this work continues. While there remain lines of inquiry to follow, the vast majority of the work by Operation Grange has been completed. This work included reviewing all the material relating to the case which were brought together for the first time and amounted to collating over 40,000 documents from United Kingdom and foreign law enforcement agencies, as well as various private investigation companies. Officers worked meticulously through the information. Some of the material had to be translated into English, facts had to be cross-referred and diligently analysed to ensure an oversight of what the MPS was examining and to search for new lines of inquiry. Once this work had been completed the review became a full investigation in July 2012.

[G-Unit]

Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in May 2007 have been working through material and following investigative inquiries since the Home Office requested a review of the case in May 2011. Operation Grange is working to support the Portuguese investigation and this work continues. While there remain lines of inquiry to follow, the vast majority of the work by Operation Grange has been completed. This work included reviewing all the material relating to the case which were brought together for the first time and amounted to collating over 40,000 documents from United Kingdom and foreign law enforcement agencies, as well as various private investigation companies. Officers worked meticulously through the information. Some of the material had to be translated into English, facts had to be cross-referred and diligently analysed to ensure an oversight of what the MPS was examining and to search for new lines of inquiry. Once this work had been completed the review became a full investigation in July 2012.

They seem to be contradicting themselves. Was the work completed in 2012 or 2015?

Still, we know what they were looking for, don't we? Evidence of the already identified crime!

[Vertigo Swirl]

They seem to be contradicting themselves. Was the work completed in 2012 or 2015?

Still, we know what they were looking for, don't we? Evidence of the already identified crime!

Having comprehensively reviewed the entirety of all the information collated on this case (a large percentage of which you have never clapped eyes on, but let's ignore that for the time being) what specifically do you think the Met missed or refused to consider in the files that, had they done their jobs properly as you would have liked, would have led them to see what you can apparently so clearly see ie: that abduction is the least likely explanation for Madeleine's disappearance?

[Eleanor]

Having comprehensively reviewed the entirety of all the information collated on this case (a large percentage of which you have never clapped eyes on, but let's ignore that for the time being) what specifically do you think the Met missed or refused to consider in the files that, had they done their jobs properly as you would have liked, would have led them to see what you can apparently so clearly see ie: that abduction is the least likely explanation for Madeleine's disappearance?

And I thought Gunit was looking for evidence that The McCanns done it.

Am I wrong about that?

[Brietta]

They seem to be contradicting themselves. Was the work completed in 2012 or 2015?

Still, we know what they were looking for, don't we? Evidence of the already identified crime!

Your posts are a master class in denial and go some way to providing a slight insight into the McCann sceptic psyche.

What is simply amazing is the trivial nature of the erroneous nature of the point on which you have chosen to take your stand.

Your insistence of posting your opinions which quite clearly fly in the face of the absolute fact and evidence that the review into Madeleine's case became a fully fledged investigation in 2013 when the Met took to the airwaves to publicise the fact, are extraordinary.



Snip
Scotland Yard says it has "new evidence and new witnesses" in the Madeleine McCann case and has opened a formal investigation into her disappearance.

The Met Police said it still believed there was a chance Madeleine was alive and it was investigating 38 "persons of interest" after reviewing the evidence.

Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, said the shift from review to investigation was "a big step forward".
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New theories
Det Ch Insp Andy Redwood, who is heading what has been called Operation Grange, said: "The review has given us new thinking, new theories, new evidence and new witnesses."

His 37-strong police team is two-thirds of the way through examining 30,500 documents from files held by the Portuguese, private investigators and British police. Some fresh interviews have also taken place.

"Over the last two years what the review has told me is that there is no clear, definitive proof that Madeleine McCann is dead," Det Ch Insp Redwood said.

"So on that basis, I still genuinely believe that there is a possibility that she is alive."

He added: "It is a positive step in our hunt for Madeleine that our understanding of the evidence has enabled us to shift from review to investigation."

Scotland Yard's decision to formally open its own investigation - which, like the review, will be funded by the Home Office - follows extensive discussions with UK prosecutors and the Portuguese.

BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said: "It's highly unusual - although not unprecedented - for a British police force to launch its own inquiry into an incident abroad."

In a statement, the McCanns said: "Kate and Gerry warmly welcome the shift in the Met's emphasis from review to investigation.

"It is clearly a big step forward in establishing what happened and, hopefully, towards bringing whoever is responsible for Madeleine's abduction to justice."   https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23179230