Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!

[sadie]

There was nobody else on that quiet deserted street. They couldn't miss her. When crècheman looked right before crossing the road he would've seen Gerry & Jez only 20/25 metres away. I wonder if SY asked him if he saw them >@@(*&)

Crècheman's view of Gerry & Jez if they were there when he crossed the road >@@(*&)

Gerry and Jeze further away than that pathfinder.  My GE makes it 31 metres.

[sadie]

It was in Jez's rogatory statement :

Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;
Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple.

You are quite right, Faith.  My apologies.

[pathfinder73]

Gerry and Jeze further away than that pathfinder.  My GE makes it 31 metres.

Crècheman couldn't miss them if they were there.

[pegasus]

IMO innocenttouristman would have looked right before he crossed the T-junction to check no cars were coming and would have seen JT and a little further away the chatters, however he would have no reason at the time to store this visual image away, he did not know it was going to be important, he would be looking only for moving vehicles, pedestrians are irrelevant to the "look before you cross" precaution.  Anyway we do not have innocenttouristman's statement so we don't know whether or not he happens to recall the at the time irrelevant detail of seeing three people as he looked right for traffic.

[pathfinder73]

IMO innocenttouristman would have looked right before he crossed the T-junction to check no cars were coming and would have seen JT and a little further away the chatters, however he would have no reason at the time to store this visual image away, he did not know it was going to be important, he would be looking only for moving vehicles, pedestrians are irrelevant to the "look before you cross" precaution.  Anyway we do not have innocenttouristman's statement so we don't know whether or not he happens to recall the at the time irrelevant detail of seeing three people as he looked right for traffic.

SY may know  Just look at that picture - it puts everything into perspective. Crècheman probably only saw a few people walking around those quiet streets on that Thursday night so seeing 2 men talking may have stood out.

[slartibartfast]

It was in Jez's rogatory statement :

Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;
Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple.

So Jez had seen her that night and Jane had probably seen Jez, just not at the right time. Hmmm, either her sense of time was really out or something else.

[sadie]

IMO innocenttouristman would have looked right before he crossed the T-junction to check no cars were coming and would have seen JT and a little further away the chatters, however he would have no reason at the time to store this visual image away, he did not know it was going to be important, he would be looking only for moving vehicles, pedestrians are irrelevant to the "look before you cross" precaution.  Anyway we do not have innocenttouristman's statement so we don't know whether or not he happens to recall the at the time irrelevant detail of seeing three people as he looked right for traffic.

Another excellent observation 

Anyway, what are you others hypothesizing for? .... cos we dont know if crechman saw Gerry and Jez at all.  You all realize that Jane was in the way and as Pegasus so rightly says, Crechman would have been looking for moving vehicles.    So why would he take note of a chatting couple of men in the middle distance who were likely hidden by Jane moving towards him ? 

Somewhere it says she was only 5 - 10 metres away from him.  They were over 30 metres away

[pegasus]

Making a video of flipflops with anklestrap will upload when finished if possible

[faithlilly]

Making a video of flipflops with anklestrap will upload when finished if possible

Is it a video of Jane wearing those type of flip flops Pegasus because if not I don't really see what use it is with regard to this discussion ?

[pegasus]

Is it a video of Jane wearing those type of flip flops Pegasus...?

Yes. It is very short 3 seconds filmed morning Friday 04 May hope this link works http://videobam.com/y[Name removed]S

[faithlilly]

Yes. It is very short 3 seconds filmed morning Friday 04 May hope this link works http://videobam.com/y[Name removed]S

Thank you Pegasus but in the video Jane is wearing sandals which she has no trouble walking in. They are not flip flops.

[pegasus]

IMO they are anklestrap flipflops the same worn the previous night and IMO they do modify the walking mechanics.

The kind of shoe I mean has at the front a strap which goes between two toes, and at the back a strap around the ankle.

Many people call these flipflops, especially because of the front strap between the toes.

Search engines show you many images for ankle strap flipflop.

 

[faithlilly]

IMO they are anklestrap flipflops the same worn the previous night and IMO they do modify the walking mechanics.

The kind of shoe I mean has at the front a strap which goes between two toes, and at the back a strap around the ankle.

Many people call these flipflops, especially because of the front strap between the toes.

Search engines show you many images for ankle strap flipflop.

Those are sandals Pegasus, probably Birkenstock or the like, not flip flops, which have no anklestrap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip-flops

[pegasus]

Those are sandals Pegasus, probably Birkenstock or the like, not flip flops, which have no anklestrap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip-flops

The Wikipedia entry is incorrect because it does not consider common usage by english speakers.
To find common usage do an internet search for anklestrap flipflop to see many people use the word filipflops when talking of flipflops with anklestraps.

Are you claiming that on evening of 3rd May JT was wearing flipflops definitely without anklestrap?

 

[icabodcrane]

All this talk about what makes a sandal out of a flip flop   is academic

...   there is no way someone could  'creep'   barefoot  the entire length of  an otherwise deserted street,  in the still of evening,  past the only other two people there,  without being noticed by ONE   of them
at least