Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!

[pegasus]

Pleased to find that at least one poster agrees with me on the IMO obvious, that the person who walked past the chat is a 100% honest witness, I am dropping out of this thread's debate, with the note that the debate seems in general to ignore the most important person and I would suggest asking - where was the most important person the child at the time of the chat and if awake and out of bed is there any possibility went to look out of that window above chat?

[sadie]

I am somewhat confused by this thread.
What is it expected to reveal?
There was absolutely nothing to conceal, so why all the ………….
It just proves all the more, that if there was also inconsistencies in the statements given regarding the chat and JT passing, they were again caused by the stress of the situation, that the witnesses found themselves in
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1. My flip flops weren’t as noisy as my shoes, but
If you are not accustomed to them the toe bar can make you feel insecure, at first causing you to grip on more with your toes.

2. Gerry had his back to the route/path, taken by JT in order check her children.

3. Gerry has a strong Glaswegian accent, so a woman's light footsteps probably wouldn't be heard above his voice.

4. Jez mentioned the bad lighting in the street and it was getting dark, but said he could see clearly.

5. Jez standing on the road would, I assume be lower than Gerry, who was on the edge of the pavement, so JTs head would be below Gerry, who was facing Jez , so JT in dark clothing slipping behind Gerry could  easily have be unseen by Jez ?

6. What noises/music/chatting would be coming from the restaurant/Tapas bar/kitchens, nearby?

7. What parked cars or vans were on the side of the road, obscuring JT passing?

8. Just how long would it take to walk JT’s route.....? and how long would it take to look into a pram and check a child…..?

9. If JT did not pass them, how did she know that they were chatting at that time?
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Without being there at that time and knowing all the details, surrounding the scene of the chat between Gerry and Jez, how can anyone possibly question JT’s account of passing them?

JMO of course

 

A lot of work and an excellenyt analysis.  Well done Anna

[pathfinder73]

Jane Tanner is there - can you see her 

[Brietta]

Jane Tanner is there - can you see her 

That is an excellent photograph. 

Before I scrolled up and saw your comment, I was visualising the two men talking and where Jane Tanner might have been positioned further up the road when she saw innocent man crossing the road ahead of her. 

IMO Jane Tanner would have been particularly alert as she was walking alone in the dusk which is probably why her description of the unknown person she was walking toward was so precise. 

[peter claridge]

That is an excellent photograph. 

Before I scrolled up and saw your comment, I was visualising the two men talking and where Jane Tanner might have been positioned further up the road when she saw innocent man crossing the road ahead of her. 

IMO Jane Tanner would have been particularly alert as she was walking alone in the dusk which is probably why her description of the unknown person she was walking toward was so precise.

So concerned was she about being alone that she completely ignored two people that she knew as she past them stealth like, she could have at least informed Gerry that Kate was angry about how long he'd been missing from the table.

[Brietta]

So concerned was she about being alone that she completely ignored two people that she knew as she past them stealth like, she could have at least informed Gerry that Kate was angry about how long he'd been missing from the table.

Perhaps Jane Tanner was too polite to interrupt a private conversation particularly if it was to make a pejorative comment, and anyway, she was in a hurry to get to her apartment.

Obviously I didn’t explain my meaning clearly enough as you have totally misunderstood and misinterpreted what I have said. So here goes.

Jane Tanner is female.

She was walking from A to B on her own in unfamiliar surroundings as darkness was falling.

She was not afraid nor did she see anything which would have caused her to alert the males, one of whom she knew the other less so, making it IMO less likely she would have interrupted them.

She was walking towards a corner before turning into an area which she was aware was not particularly well lit.

As a female, I can assure you that under those circumstances Jane Tanner’s senses would be on full alert, particularly when watching an unknown male crossing her path.

[pathfinder73]

Maybe you've missed the most obvious and relevant point. It can't be done as she claimed IMO!

[Brietta]

Maybe you've missed the most obvious and relevant point. It can't be done as she claimed IMO!

I have no reason to doubt anything Jane Tanner had to say about events she was witness to.

I have great sympathy for a woman who until very recently had to live with "if only" in the belief she witnessed and could perhaps have stopped Madeleine's abduction.

I think it extremely unfortunate that she has been continually vilified for seven years because she saw what she saw and she reported what she saw and that does not fit in with some peoples' agenda.

[peter claridge]

Perhaps Jane Tanner was too polite to interrupt a private conversation particularly if it was to make a pejorative comment, and anyway, she was in a hurry to get to her apartment.

Obviously I didn’t explain my meaning clearly enough as you have totally misunderstood and misinterpreted what I have said. So here goes.

Jane Tanner is female.

She was walking from A to B on her own in unfamiliar surroundings as darkness was falling.

She was not afraid nor did she see anything which would have caused her to alert the males, one of whom she knew the other less so, making it IMO less likely she would have interrupted them.

She was walking towards a corner before turning into an area which she was aware was not particularly well lit.

As a female, I can assure you that under those circumstances Jane Tanner’s senses would be on full alert, particularly when watching an unknown male crossing her path.

Cannot understand why her partner O'Brien allowed her to tackle said corner other than he would have spoken to the chatting pair!

[Brietta]

Cannot understand why her partner O'Brien allowed her to tackle said corner other than he would have spoken to the chatting pair!

I'm not trying to be smart here, Peter, but I really do not understand the point you are making.
Any chance you could rephrase it for me, please?

[peter claridge]

I'm not trying to be smart here, Peter, but I really do not understand the point you are making.
Any chance you could rephrase it for me, please?

I'm pointing out that the two checks were very close together so it would have been logical for just O'Brien to have done his but of course he would have spoken to Gerry and Jes. 

[Brietta]

I'm pointing out that the two checks were very close together so it would have been logical for just O'Brien to have done his but of course he would have spoken to Gerry and Jes.

Thanks for that clarification.

We don't really know what he would have done or if he would have taken any notice of innocent man. So speculation is not productive.

[slartibartfast]

Thanks for that clarification.

We don't really know what he would have done or if he would have taken any notice of innocent man. So speculation is not productive.

So no speculation about abductors, burglars, paedos?

[Wonderfulspam]

So no speculation about abductors, burglars, paedos?

 
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[John]

That photo of the GNR policeman standing guard outside 5a proves that the lighting was good in May 2007.  I had originally thought that the area in which Gerry and Jes were standing was in shadow but that isn't the case.

In my opinion the only way Jane could have slipped by is if both men were stood in the street with their back to Jane.  She could have walked past them silently if they were engrossed in conversation.