Author Topic: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!  (Read 477777 times)

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Offline pathfinder73

Jes Wilkins, from his statement:

Relative to the sighting in Dr. Francisco Gentil street;

From the location where we met for our conversation, it is possible to see the top of the hill. I cannot confirm if I was always turned in this direction. It is definitely possible that someone could have crossed holding a child without my noticing.

And he didn't see crecheman?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfred R Jones

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And he didn't see crecheman?
Did you not read what he said?

Offline jassi

Did you not read what he said?

Does he actually say that he saw anyone?
« Last Edit: May 25, 2014, 03:13:28 PM by jassi »
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Alfred R Jones

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Does he say that he saw anyone?
No, he saw no one apart from Gerry but he concedes that it is quite possible that someone could have passed without him noticing as he is unable to confirm that he stayed in the same position at all times during the chat with Gerry.  Which bit of this is hard to understand?

Offline jassi

No, he saw no one apart from Gerry but he concedes that it is quite possible that someone could have passed without him noticing as he is unable to confirm that he stayed in the same position at all times during the chat with Gerry.  Which bit of this is hard to understand?

I have no problem with separating what he saw from what he accepts might have been possible for others to see.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Alfred R Jones

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I have no problem with separating what he saw from what he accepts might have been possible for others to see.
He is talking about himself and not what may have been possible for others to have seen though.

icabodcrane

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No, he saw no one apart from Gerry but he concedes that it is quite possible that someone could have passed without him noticing as he is unable to confirm that he stayed in the same position at all times during the chat with Gerry.  Which bit of this is hard to understand?

I think we need to be clear on this point

Jeremy Wilkins refering  to  the man carrying a child  ...   he felt it was possible that a  man could  have crossed the top of the road without him having noticed

With regards to Jane Tanner,  however,  Jeremy Wilkins felt it  'unlikely'  that she could have passed without him noticing


Alfred R Jones

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I think we need to be clear on this point

Jeremy Wilkins refering  to  the man carrying a child  ...   he felt it was possible that a  man could  have crossed the top of the road without him having noticed

With regards to Jane Tanner,  however,  Jeremy Wilkins felt it  'unlikely'  that she could have passed without him noticing
Unlikely perhaps, but not impossible as he states his position may well have changed during his chat with Gerry. 

icabodcrane

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Unlikely perhaps, but not impossible as he states his position may well have changed during his chat with Gerry.

I am just pointing out that Jeremy Wilkins never said he thought it was possible that Jane Tanner could have passed without him noticing

Whether or not  you  think it was possible is besides the point

Jeremy Wilkins just says  he thinks it is  'very unlikely' 
 

Offline peter claridge

Unlikely perhaps, but not impossible as he states his position may well have changed during his chat with Gerry.

Simply not possible and Jane would have spoken!

Offline pathfinder73

"It was a very narrow road and I think it would have been almost impossible to walk by without me taking notice", Jeremy says, pointing out the fact that he saw no man carrying a child, as Jane states.

But Jane continues to guarantee that, at the top of the street, she saw a man with a child in his arms.

Although the area is scarcely lit, and the situation did not make her suspicious at the time, she describes the beige trousers, the dark thick jacket and the black classic-style shoes in a detailed way. Once again, Jeremy disagrees: "If that happened, I would have likely seen it".

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id327.html

Their son was unable to sleep so about 2015hrs, Jeremy took him, in the pushchair for a walk. He walked around the main area of the resort and eventually ended up in the Tapas bar where he used the toilet facility. He was unable to state what time this was. His son was still awake so he walked in the area of the ocean club gardens and walked along the alleyways in that general area. He eventually made his way along Rua Dr Francisco toward the direction of Rua Dr Agostinho. At this time he was walking on the right side of the road passing the Tapas bar area to his left. He noticed the bad street lighting and although it was not completely dark there was enough light to see clearly. As he approached the corner of the McCanns apartment, he saw Gerry appear from the area of the gate. He crossed the road and engaged in general conversation with Gerry. At this time they were stood with Gerry’s back to the building near to the gate and Jeremy facing him. Rua Dr Agostino was about 10 – 15 meters to his right and the pathway leading to the front of the apartment blocks about 5 meters to his left.

He was adamant that he did not see any one else in the area. When spoken to in reference to Jane Tanner walking by, he again stated that he saw no one. He also stated that he did not see or hear anyone to his right. He was aware of the recent picture in the papers re the person with a child wrapped in a blanket and in a males arms alledgedly walking across the junction to his right but again stated that he did not see any one.

The conversation with Gerry lasted for about three minutes during which Gerry was chatty and in his normal self. Jeremy then made his way back to his apartment.

LEICESTERSHIRE CONSTABULARY

OFFICER'S REPORT

To: Receiver
From: DC 1756 Mike Marshall
Incident: Op Task
No. of pages: 3
Date: 05/11/07

« Last Edit: May 25, 2014, 04:52:58 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline John

It might be worthwhile having a look at the reconstruction again.  Jane clearly states that Gerry had his back to her and Jez was facing down the road.

See from 9.00

A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline pegasus

JW states clearly that during the chat GM's behaviour was completely normal.
I suggest his assessment was correct.

Offline jassi

Why should two casual acquaintances be so deep in a 'chat' as to be totally unaware of their surroundings?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Alfred R Jones

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Why should two casual acquaintances be so deep in a 'chat' as to be totally unaware of their surroundings?
Why shouldn't they be?  Is the depth of friendship an indicator of depth of conversation?  I don't understand why people find this so hard to conceive of.  If your attention is distracted by a conversation it's quite possible to miss what is going on around you.  Don't tell me it's never happened to you, or that you've never had cause to say"ooh, I never saw you standing there!" or that no one has ever said to you "you walked straight past me and never even said hello!"  It's happened to me on many occasions but perhaps I'm just super unobservant.