Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!

[Alfred R Jones]

You do raise a very good question. Why would Gerry deny seeing JT ? Probably for the very same reason that he was insistent that he had his back to her as she passed by on the other side of the road, to distance himself from JT's claim if everything went pear shaped.

Deniability has always been his watchword. At that time it was quite possible that someone may come forward and say ' oh yes I was on my balcony having a fag and saw the two men talking but definitely didn't see any woman'. How could Gerry possiblly say he had seen JT when he didn't know how things were going to unfold ?

BTW when did this from the collective statement handed into the PJ on the 10th of May.....

'2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed. '

.....to being on the other side of the road ? Did he agree with JT to keep her on side while compiling the timeline then right royally shaft her when he went into his interview later that day or perhaps the story was changed because it was pointed out to Mr McCann during that interview how impossible the scenario detailed in the timeline actually was ? We can but guess !

As predicted your explanation is extraordinarily lame.  How is your 'bloke on a balcony' scenario  - not seeing a woman walk by any different to two men on the street not seeing a woman walk by?  Apparently if a (mythical) bloke on a balcony says he never saw a woman walk by the whole thing falls apart, but not if Gerry and Jez who were right there on the street say it?!  Please explain.  Remember it is your belief that this sighting was invented for the SOLE and CRITICALLY IMPORTANT purpose of giving Gerry an alibi - well worth the risk I would have thought that some bloke on a balcony at some distance might see two blokes chatting in the street but fail to notice a woman on the pavement walking by for a few short seconds.  Your theory is nonsensical and is blown to bits by the fact that Gerry did not back up JT's supposed fake sighting.  I know you will cling to this ridiculous notion of yours despite the glaringly obvious logic of what I have written above, I just hope that one day you will come to your senses - vain hope, I know.

[Alice Purjorick]

It is of course just possible that Dr Amaral's opinion of this sighting was correct.

[pathfinder73]

It is of course just possible that Dr Amaral's opinion of this sighting was correct.

They must have asked crecheman if he saw them before crossing. You would take a look to the right when crossing the road carrying a child. It's Elementary My Dear Watson!

[faithlilly]

As predicted your explanation is extraordinarily lame.  How is your 'bloke on a balcony' scenario  - not seeing a woman walk by any different to two men on the street not seeing a woman walk by?  Apparently if a (mythical) bloke on a balcony says he never saw a woman walk by the whole thing falls apart, but not if Gerry and Jez who were right there on the street say it?!  Please explain.  Remember it is your belief that this sighting was invented for the SOLE and CRITICALLY IMPORTANT purpose of giving Gerry an alibi - well worth the risk I would have thought that some bloke on a balcony at some distance might see two blokes chatting in the street but fail to notice a woman on the pavement walking by for a few short seconds.  Your theory is nonsensical and is blown to bits by the fact that Gerry did not back up JT's supposed fake sighting.  I know you will cling to this ridiculous notion of yours despite the glaringly obvious logic of what I have written above, I just hope that one day you will come to your senses - vain hope, I know.

As I have said Gerry couldn't take the chance that an unconnected individual had witnessed his chat with Jez so best course of action was to deny he had seen Tanner. If the deception worked then great but if not there was a built in 'get out ' clause "Honest gov that Jane's a wiley one. Told me she'd walked by me and I took her word for it. How was I to know she was fibbing'.

[Alfred R Jones]

As I have said Gerry couldn't take the chance that an unconnected individual had witnessed his chat with Jez so best course of action was to deny he had seen Tanner. If the deception worked then great but if not there was a built in 'get out ' clause "Honest gov that Jane's a wiley one. Told me she'd walked by me and I took her word for it. How was I to know she was fibbing'.

That simply does not address the point I made in my post.  And, what possible reason would Jane have for lying, if Gerry wasn't also somehow involved.  You've really not thought this through logically at all have you?  You know, you can still be a "sceptic" and think the parents dunnit whilst at the same time letting go of some of the more implausible aspects of your theory, none of your brothers and sisters in arms will think any the less of you, promise!

[faithlilly]

That simply does not address the point I made in my post.  And, what possible reason would Jane have for lying, if Gerry wasn't also somehow involved.  You've really not thought this through logically at all have you?  You know, you can still be a "sceptic" and think the parents dunnit whilst at the same time letting go of some of the more implausible aspects of your theory, none of your brothers and sisters in arms will think any the less of you, promise!

Until we know what happened that night we have no idea what kind of leverage was used on Tanner to tell her tale but tell a tale she did. Now you might disagree, which is fine, but until all the cards are on the table my theory is every bit as valid as yours.

[Alfred R Jones]

Until we know what happened that night we have no idea what kind of leverage was used on Tanner to tell her tale but tell a tale she did. Now you might disagree, which is fine, but until all the cards are on the table my theory is every bit as valid as yours.

Your theory makes no sense whatsoever, but you carry on with it by all means if it makes you happy.

[Alfred R Jones]

Amaral thought JT invented the sighting and pretended it was Murat, am I close?  The only teensy fly in the ointment is that the Met confirmed that there actually was a man seen carrying a child at the time and place JT said.  To get round this inconvenient fact we then have to believe the Met invented Tannerman all over again.  Incredible doesn't even come close to describe the contortions of thought necessary to be a true "sceptic".

[John]

JW said he was talking to Gerry next to the side gate so Moyes wouldn't be able to see them from their balcony unless they were looking right over it which they wouldn't be doing. If they were on the other side of the road as Gerry said they would be able to see them

No, several metres down from the side gate.   Remember he saw Gerry walk down from the gate and he (Jez) crossed the road to engage him in conversation.

Jane Tanners sketch.



Mapa Jez below... X marks the spot!

[pathfinder73]

No, several metres down from the side gate.   Remember he saw Gerry walk down from the gate and he (Jez) crossed the road to engage him in conversation.

Mapa Jez below... X marks the spot!

If they were on the road they would be seen but if they were on the pavement the hedge would be obscuring Moyes view - if they were sitting on the left hand side of the balcony where the rails are. If they were sitting it would hard to see them behind the hedge in the dark. They probably finished their conversation around 9:15 so it's possible Moyes just missed them.

[John]

I believe this is what Jez and Jane described.

[pathfinder73]

I believe this is what Jez and Jane described.

That's impossible Jez is facing her and didn't see anyone on the street and I can't believe she wouldn't say anything when passing within a couple of feet. You must be able to hear her on quiet deserted street walking past. My first thought was she may have seen the man crossing before she got to them and turned left onto the lane.

I would say that when I spoke with Gerry it was possible to recognize someone I knew who was passing on foot at the crossing at the top of the hill or to describe approximately someone unknown from that distance.

Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;
Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple. (JW)



"He was adamant that he did not see any one else in the area. When spoken to in reference to Jane Tanner walking by, he again stated that he saw no one. He also stated that he did not see or hear anyone to his right. He was aware of the recent picture in the papers re the person with a child wrapped in a blanket and in a males arms allegedly walking across the junction to his right but again stated that he did not see any one.
The conversation with Gerry lasted for about three minutes during which Gerry was chatty and in his normal self. Jeremy then made his way back to his apartment."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

[jassi]

That's impossible Jez is facing her and didn't see anyone on the street.

I would say that when I spoke with Gerry it was possible to recognize someone I knew who was passing on foot at the crossing at the top of the hill or to describe approximately someone unknown from that distance.

Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;
Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple. (JW)



"He was adamant that he did not see any one else in the area. When spoken to in reference to Jane Tanner walking by, he again stated that he saw no one. He also stated that he did not see or hear anyone to his right. He was aware of the recent picture in the papers re the person with a child wrapped in a blanket and in a males arms allegedly walking across the junction to his right but again stated that he did not see any one.
The conversation with Gerry lasted for about three minutes during which Gerry was chatty and in his normal self. Jeremy then made his way back to his apartment."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

Wasn't there something posted on here a couple of days ago about Jez going to the loo in O/C at about 8.30 - 9.00 ?

If he was heading home after talking to Gerry, why is he back at O/C half an hour later?


Edit  Ignore this post - I've my 24 hour clock mixed up  (doh)

[pathfinder73]

Wasn't there something posted on here a couple of days ago about Jez going to the loo in O/C at about 8.30 - 9.00 ?

If he was heading home after talking to Gerry, why is he back at O/C half an hour later?

They need to do a reconstruction of his walk with JW and time it.

They decided to spend the evening in the apartment. Their son was unable to sleep so about 2015hrs, Jeremy took him, in the pushchair for a walk. He walked around the main area of the resort and eventually ended up in the Tapas bar where he used the toilet facility. He was unable to state what time this was. His son was still awake so he walked in the area of the ocean club gardens and walked along the alleyways in that general area. He eventually made his way along Rua Dr Francisco toward the direction of Rua Dr Agostinho. At this time he was walking on the right side of the road passing the Tapas bar area to his left. He noticed the bad street lighting and although it was not completely dark there was enough light to see clearly. As he approached the corner of the McCanns apartment, he saw Gerry appear from the area of the gate. He crossed the road and engaged in general conversation with Gerry. At this time they were stood with Gerry's back to the building near to the gate and Jeremy facing him. Rua Dr Agostino was about 10-15 meters to his right and the pathway leading to the front of the apartment blocks about 5 meters to his left.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

[sadie]

And indeed why should they, unless they were being disturbed by someone flip-flopping their way up the road, and wondered who was making all the noise.

Not the wretched flip flops again !  I dont believe how you guys keep going over and over the same old rubbish.

Jane FGS is a ?consultants wife and worked herself, I believe.  No shortage of money there!  Out for dinner, she wouldn't be wearing your common rubber Flip flops that we might wear in the day !  More likely something like these

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41V7qiYATUL._SL190_SY246_CR0,0,190,246_.jpg


or

http://asset3.surfcdn.com/fitflop-flip-flops-fitflop-lulu-slide-flip-flops-antique-white-2.jpg?w=120&h=120&q=90&o=VU$52d2Z0Y01wWc0llPwKEGPq2Ij&V=H1I8

http://asset1.surfcdn.com/fitflop-flip-flops-fitflop-lulu-slide-flip-flops-antique-white.jpg?w=120&h=120&q=90&o=K1fmE8UNhtusm2MFVRdGf7vjyycj&V=nQCe


The above sorts cost money but are structured and would not flap about at all.  No noise if she wanted to slip past quietly.