Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!

[faithlilly]

The Wikipedia entry is incorrect because it does not consider common usage by english speakers.
To find common usage do an internet search for anklestrap flipflop to see many people use the word filipflops when talking of flipflops with anklestraps.

Are you claiming that on evening of 3rd May JT was wearing flipflops definitely without anklestrap?

I have never used the term nor heard anyone else use the term anklestrap flip flop but if that's what you believe, who am I to argue.

Besides, as Icabod says, it's all academic anyway.

[pegasus]

I have never used the term nor heard anyone else use the term anklestrap flip flop but if that's what you believe, who am I to argue.

Besides, as Icabod says, it's all academic anyway.

I already suggested a search engine search to give many examples.
Common usage is king.
If one of the straps goes between two toes, some people will call it a flipflop.
It's more than academic IMO, because saying the witness is falsifying requires a theory that places physical relocation far too early JIMO

[pegasus]

All I know is that it is quite ridiculous  to suggest that the  kind of  footwear  Jane Tanner was wearing is somehow relevant and important with regard  to this crucial ...  and  very  questionable  ...  piece of evidence

It's a nonsense distraction 

...  that woman would have been SEEN    by the two men standing in that otherwise empty street 

At  some  point,  as she walked it's entire length  ...  and directly past them ...  one of them,  at least,  would have  SEEN  her

It's beyond reason to suggest otherwise

OK so let's look at your theory for why she would invent passing them ... ?

[icabodcrane]

OK so let's look at your theory for why she would invent passing them ... ?

I didn't say Jane Tanner  'invented'  anything  ...  I said it  is not possible for her to have passed the entire length of that otherwise deserted  street without at least one of the only other two people there to have noticed her

I don't think it is

That is the first step  ...  acknowledging that it was simply not possible

From there we can consider why false/mistaken witness statements were given

[pegasus]

I didn't say Jane Tanner  'invented'  anything  ...  I said it  is not possible for her to have passed the entire length of that otherwise deserted  street without at least one of the only other two people there to have noticed her

I don't think it is

That is the first step  ...  acknowledging that it was simply not possible

From there we can consider why false/mistaken witness statements were given

The witness states very clearly in statements to portuguese and UK police that she definitely walked past GM and JW.
So what is your explanation for why she stated she definitely did walk past them, if (as you claim) it's impossible?

[Benice]

I didn't say Jane Tanner  'invented'  anything  ...  I said it  is not possible for her to have passed the entire length of that otherwise deserted  street without at least one of the only other two people there to have noticed her

I don't think it is

That is the first step  ...  acknowledging that it was simply not possible

From there we can consider why false/mistaken witness statements were given

Of course it is possible  It was dark.   Gerry  had his back to her - so it's totally believable that  he wouldn't see her.  Jez only had to be  looking  in a different direction in the few seconds it took for her to she pass by  and he would have missed her.   He and Gerry were talking - not standing there in complete silence - so there was noise - which was being  generated by them both.  Their attention was  concentrated on eachother and probably the baby in the buggy.

Add to that the fact that there  is no believable reason why JT would lie and its apparent that she did pass them and they simply didn't notice her. 

[slartibartfast]

IMO they are anklestrap flipflops the same worn the previous night and IMO they do modify the walking mechanics.

The kind of shoe I mean has at the front a strap which goes between two toes, and at the back a strap around the ankle.

Many people call these flipflops, especially because of the front strap between the toes.

Search engines show you many images for ankle strap flipflop.

Nope, they are sandals. On holiday in the sun, I wear Sandals during the day when out walking and flip flops in the evening when going to the hotel bar/restaurant. I am assuming you have no list of what Jane took on holiday.

Anyway it is fairly academic as others have as said.

[Alfred R Jones]

I didn't say Jane Tanner  'invented'  anything  ...  I said it  is not possible for her to have passed the entire length of that otherwise deserted  street without at least one of the only other two people there to have noticed her

I don't think it is

That is the first step  ...  acknowledging that it was simply not possible

From there we can consider why false/mistaken witness statements were given

OK, let's consider who gave a false statement then and why.

[pegasus]

The supposed noise of flip-flops has been widely used by peeps on forums to claim the witness would have been loudly audible when she walked past the chat.
I posted a video of IMO the exact same footwear in action and showed the clearly visible ankle strap, which significantly decreases the noise.

[pegasus]

Even if you insist there was no ankle straps - The idea that flip-flops are noisier than other shoes is fallacious IMO. When someone wearing hard-soled shoes walks up that cobblestone pavement the sound you is hard soles striking cobblestones. When someone wearing soft-soled flipflops walks up the same pavement, the sound (if you can hear it which is unlikely) is soft soles striking cobblestones plus soft soles striking skin. Much quieter. Actually the reason the chatters did not hear this witness is likely to be because the witness was wearing flip-flops, because they are quieter.
All IMO.

[pathfinder73]

But she had trouble walking in them I.e. silly flip flops? Anyway on that quiet street it wasn't possible to pass unless both Gerry and Jez had their heads buried in the sand buggy but Jez didn't say that - he was adamant she didn't pass so somebody is mistaken. Gerry put himself on the other side of the road so he's saying Jane's wrong. Jez said he was near to the steps to 5A and 5 metres to his left was the pathway. So Jez is saying Gerry's wrong  Jane is saying they both didn't see her pass otherwise she may have said, 'Oh hello Gerry you're in trouble for being gone so long' >@@(*&)

[pegasus]

But she had trouble walking in them I.e. silly flip flops? ...

I already posted a video and they are not silly at all.
The relevant pavement (chat) is of cobblestones.
Walking on cobblestones with soft thin soles modifies the wearer's walking mechanics.
All IMO.

 

[pathfinder73]

I already posted a video and they are not silly at all.
The relevant pavement (chat) is of cobblestones.
Walking on cobblestones with soft thin soles modifies the wearer's walking mechanics.
All IMO.

 

Are you calling Jane a [moderated]? 

"I can remember sort of walking, I couldn’t walk that quickly because I’d got these silly flip-flops on and I couldn’t walk that, that well in them, so to speak." (Jane Tanner)

[pegasus]

Are you calling Jane a [moderated]? 

No. The difficulty of walking, specifically on the pavement constructed of embedded small stones, was due to the the flipflops having thin soft soles. The protruding stones press on the base of a soft thin sole, causing painful pressure areas on the sole of the foot, so the wearer alters their walking method by "padding" to reduce this.
All IMO

[slartibartfast]

The supposed noise of flip-flops has been widely used by peeps on forums to claim the witness would have been loudly audible when she walked past the chat.
I posted a video of IMO the exact same footwear in action and showed the clearly visible ankle strap, which significantly decreases the noise.

Can you link to the point in her statement where she says they were the same footwear she wore later? Unless of course you think the only went on holiday with one pair of shoes?