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Alfred R Jones

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Oh look, non-biased Daily Mail giving us unsourced information.

Can you please tell me where it says (a direct quote please) that the man Tanner saw was indeed crossing that road at that time as she said?

You can't.  All they said was "there was a man carrying a child who has been ruled out".

No details from Andy's mouth about when.  None at all.

Hint = a quote from the bottom of the article, still speaking as though the disappearance has been solved -


This means Kate McCann may have missed the abduction of her daughter by a matter of minutes on May 3, 2007.


According to your source, the "abduction" is no longer theory, but fact.

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So for the sake of clarity, can you confirm: are you saying that the Daily Mail has completely fabricated the information in this  article, down to the photo of the pyjamas said to be worn by the man's two year old child?

Why would SY announce that they had been able to dismiss JT's signting based on the information given by this man when he came forward, if it hadn't closely matched the information contained in JT's statement then?

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A couple of observations.

1. Andy Redwood has never said that the Tanner sighting was definitely that of another tourist. I believe the strongest term he used was "probably was".

2. Madeleine was a few days from her fourth birthday when she disappeared but the tourist's child was only two. With such an age difference surely this would have been obvious to any witness? A two-year-old doesn't have long dangly legs for a start?
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Alfred R Jones

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A couple of observations.

1. Andy Redwood has never said that the Tanner sighting was definitely that of another tourist. I believe the strongest term he used was "probably was".

2. Madeleine was a few days from her fourth birthday when she disappeared but the tourist's child was only two. With such an age difference surely this would have been obvious to any witness? A two-year-old doesn't have long dangly legs for a start?
"We are almost certain that the man seen by Jane Tanner is not Madeleine's abductor" - Andy Redwood.


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Alfred R Jones

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Here is a quote from the BBC website:
"DCI Redwood said it was a "revelation moment" when police discovered that the man seen by McCanns' friend Jane Tanner at 9.15pm was almost certainly an innocent British holiday-maker collecting his two-year-old daughter from a nearby crèche".

Evidence of "Team McCann's" hand in the above quote please...?

Alfred R Jones

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Anyway, Silkywhiskers, I suggest you watch this clip from about 22 minutes onwards in which the two year old's PJs are discussed by Andy Redwood himself on Crimewatch:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCewUVxDi9Y[/youtube]

So to go back to my original point - how did JT know that a man passed Apartment 5A carrying a small female child at 9.15pm, one who bore a striking resemblance to the man that SY later identified, if she hadn't been where she said she was that night?

Alfred R Jones

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Could you please address this point Silky -

 how did JT know that a man passed Apartment 5A carrying a small female child at 9.15pm, one who bore a striking resemblance to the man that SY later identified, if she hadn't been where she said she was that night?

Silkywhiskers

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Could you please address this point Silky -

 how did JT know that a man passed Apartment 5A carrying a small female child at 9.15pm, one who bore a striking resemblance to the man that SY later identified, if she hadn't been where she said she was that night?

I have never, ever said Tanner didn't see a man carrying a child.

What I HAVE said, is that Tanner did NOT see Tannerman carrying Madeleine, that night or any other.

The night creche was open, and the sight of a parent carrying a sleeping child home is something she had probably witnessed several times over that holiday.

You don't need my thoughts on Tannerman though - Andy has clearly told us yes, there was a man, but his sighting is not RELEVANT.

He hasn't told us if mystery dad actually DID walk through that street that night, now did he?

He told us mystery dad walked from the night creche to his apartment with his child.  Not when, not where, not WHAT TIME.

This information should be right there, in the Creche records.

Also, the individual Tanner claims to have seen was going the opposite direction to Smithman, an entire 45 minutes earlier.

And of course there remains the GINORMOUS anomaly that a "checking" parent actually witnessed one of her party's children being abducted, and said NOT A WORD until well into the next day.

Heck, she claims she DID see it, yet didn't raise an alarm, an eyebrow, or even tell anyone until hours later.

Oh and?  If you tell the truth, your version remains the same.  Tanner embroidered her sighting, it became ever more clear with each telling.  His hair grew, his face became pockmarked (even though she didn't claim to SEE his face).

If her story was true, it would be "I saw the abductor take Madeleine and said/did NOTHING" or, it would be "I saw the abductor take Madeleine, I didn't see anything but his back".

The story would not change and grow over the retelling, as it has done.  Truth is boring and remains the same no matter how many times you're asked to repeat it.
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Alfred R Jones

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Redwood would not have dismissed JT's sighting if her description and her timings did not closely match the appearance and movements of the holidaymaker carrying his daughter that SY have now identified, hence she did not lie about what she saw or where she was when she saw it.  It's as simple as that.  No amount of irrelevant waffle from you or any other doubter on this thread changes that fact. 

Silkywhiskers

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I suggest you re-watch the Crimewatch interview with Redwood.

Pathetic.

He does not say anything about mystery dad's movements on 3 May.

Not a word.

Alfred R Jones

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Pathetic.

He does not say anything about mystery dad's movements on 3 May.

Not a word.
Why did he say that he believes this man was the one seen by Jane Tanner then?

Silkywhiskers

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You have clearly refused to watch this clip again.  Really, you are making a complete fool of yourself.

Answer the question.

WHERE does Andy say that mystery dad was walking along that street, at that time, that night?

Nowhere.

I have no doubt Tanner saw mystery dad, not at all.

What I DO doubt is that she saw him at 9.15 on 3 May, on that street.

Prove that he was there thanks.  YOU prove what YOU'RE claiming, its lazy and rude to say "go and find it yourself" when you are basing your entire argument (and insults) on something that is not true.

Alfred R Jones

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Answer the question.

WHERE does Andy say that mystery dad was walking along that street, at that time, that night?

Nowhere.

I have no doubt Tanner saw mystery dad, not at all.

What I DO doubt is that she saw him at 9.15 on 3 May, on that street.

Prove that he was there thanks.  YOU prove what YOU'RE claiming, its lazy and rude to say "go and find it yourself" when you are basing your entire argument (and insults) on something that is not true.
Dear oh dear.  Try and get your head around this.  JT says she sees a man carrying a young girl at approximately 9.15pm on the night of 3rd May.  For years no one knows who this man is.  Then SY take over the investigation and identify that there were several children sleeping in the creche nearby.  They conduct an interview with a man who is the father of one of these children, who matches the description given by JT and discover that he carried his child home at around the same time as the JT sighting.  If this man had said, 'I carried my child back at 10pm or 8pm' then SY would not have been able to dismiss JT's sighting so confidently as the timings would not have tallied.  Do you get it now?!

Silkywhiskers

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Dear oh dear.  Try and get your head around this.  JT says she sees a man carrying a young girl at approximately 9.15pm on the night of 3rd May.  For years no one knows who this man is.  Then SY take over the investigation and identify that there were several children sleeping in the creche nearby.  They conduct an interview with a man who is the father of one of these children, who matches the description given by JT and discover that he carried his child home at around the same time as the JT sighting.  If this man had said, 'I carried my child back at 10pm or 8pm' then SY would not have been able to dismiss JT's sighting so confidently as the timings would not have tallied.  Do you get it now?!


Answer the question.

WHERE does Andy say that mystery dad was walking along that street, at that time, that night?

Alfred R Jones

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Answer the question.

WHERE does Andy say that mystery dad was walking along that street, at that time, that night?

One last attempt to explain this to you before bedtime.
Redwood states "Having discussed what the family (of the crèche child) were doing on the night, they believed that they could be the Tanner sighting" and that it's hugely significant because "from 9.15pm we're now able to allow the clock to move forward..."
The Tanner sighting was made at 9.15pm
The family of the crèche girl believed they could be the Tanner sighting, they can only believe this to be so if they know that they took their child out of the crèche at around 9.15pm.  If they'd removed her at 10pm or at 8pm they would know they could NOT be the Tanner sighting and therefore Redwood would not be able to state "from 9.15pm to allow the clock to tick forward".
Is this really so very hard to understand?


Alfred R Jones

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I understand that mystery dad's actual movements have NEVER BEEN CONFIRMED.

By anyone.

I also understand that mystery dad was identified as Robert Murat, and the child as Madeleine....by Tanner.

And what of the direction of mystery dad's trail?  Nowhere near the Smith sighting, in the opposite direction in fact.

So WHERE does Andy say that Tanner saw mystery dad that night on that road?

WHERE?
I give up.  I trust that anyone else reading this exchange understands perfectly well what I'm driving at even if you refuse to.