Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!

[Alfred R Jones]

Well if we work on information contained within statements we have three adults, two male and one female and a baby in a buggy occupying at max a 40m² area any time between 20:45 and 21:15. About 15 to 20 metres further up the road was another male adult moving west to east, carrying a child. The adult carrying the child did not give a statement to which we are party. Of the others:
Two of the adults (one m one f) say they were all on the west side of the street one (m) says the two male adults were on the east of the street.
The two male adults saw neither the one carrying the child nor the female passing by.
The female adult says she passed by the two male adults with the baby not speaking to them and then saw the male adult with the child crossing the road at the junction ahead of her. She says he was moving west to east.
So what really happened? Any takers?
How long it took the female to traverse any distance and whether her footwear was haute qualite by Philippe Ferlop or knock offs from Solly down Romford market is of not much relevance.

What really happened is that JT walked past the two men as she said she did, and neither of them saw her walk by, as they said in their statements - unless you wish to accuse one or more of these individuals as a liar, and venture an opinion as to what any of these people had to gain from lying about this event?

[pathfinder73]

There would not have been sufficient room on the pavement to do that. Gerry was stood with his back to the gate, not sideways on.

Yes they would.

[misty]

Yes they would.

Jez & Gerry weren't standing where Kate & Gerry are in that picture, they were further up the road.

Gerry - pushchair - Jez  - all  in a line at 90° to the kerb? No, don't think so.

[Alice Purjorick]

What really happened is that JT walked past the two men as she said she did, and neither of them saw her walk by, as they said in their statements - unless you wish to accuse one or more of these individuals as a liar, and venture an opinion as to what any of these people had to gain from lying about this event?

Facile. The usual "are you calling them liars" routine.
I have merely been repeating the alleged facts from statements.
No one really knew where they were or at what time, which may have had relevance.
Tell us, Alf, in your opinion which side of the street the protagonists were on? They cannot all be right so who do you think was mistaken and why?

[pathfinder73]

Jez & Gerry weren't standing where Kate & Gerry are in that picture, they were further up the road.

Gerry - pushchair - Jez  - all  in a line at 90° to the kerb? No, don't think so.

You can fit a pram on the pavement facing upwards in the direction he was going and talk to him.

"I do not remember having seen anyone else at this time besides Gerry. After leaving each other, Gerry walked downward in the direction of the Tapas Bar and I began to walk in the other direction, up the pathway." (JW)

Twins pram.

[misty]

You can fit a pram on the pavement facing upwards in the direction he was going and talk to him.

"I do not remember having seen anyone else at this time besides Gerry. After leaving each other, Gerry walked downward in the direction of the Tapas Bar and I began to walk in the other direction, up the pathway." (JW)

Twins pram

Gerry had his back to the gate/wall. Jez was facing him. Where was the pram?

[Alfred R Jones]

Facile. The usual "are you calling them liars" routine.
I have merely been repeating the alleged facts from statements.
No one really knew where they were or at what time, which may have had relevance.
Tell us, Alf, in your opinion which side of the street the protagonists were on? They cannot all be right so who do you think was mistaken and why?

I don't give a flying one tbh.  "No one really knows where they were or at what time" isn't strictly true is it Alice?  The three adults in the scenario know (more or less) and they have told us.  Now either they are telling the truth, or completely and catastrophically mistaken, or simply lying. My money's on the former, how about you?

[Alice Purjorick]

I don't give a flying one tbh.  "No one really knows where they were or at what time" isn't strictly true is it Alice?  The three adults in the scenario know (more or less) and they have told us.  Now either they are telling the truth, or completely and catastrophically mistaken, or simply lying. My money's on the former, how about you?

You have failed to address the specific question.

[Alfred R Jones]

You have failed to address the specific question.

I have no opinion on it, it doesn't really matter.  I don't think anyone was lying and that's all that does matter as far as what is being implied on here is concerned.

[Alice Purjorick]

I have no opinion on it, it doesn't really matter.  I don't think anyone was lying and that's all that does matter as far as what is being implied on here is concerned.

I would have thought it important to the investigation to know where people were in relationship to each other and at what times.
 

[jassi]

Indeed, only one of the stated accounts was correct. The question is which one.

[Alfred R Jones]

I would have thought it important to the investigation to know where people were in relationship to each other and at what times.

Why is it important to know exactly where Gerry and Jez were standing then? 

[Alice Purjorick]

Why is it important to know exactly where Gerry and Jez were standing then?

I did include the time element which you seem to have ignored.
We seem to have gone full circle again.
The fact remains there is a wide discrepancy between the stories and the times and only one time and place can be correct....ding dong.

[Alfred R Jones]

I did include the time element which you seem to have ignored.
We seem to have gone full circle again.
The fact remains there is a wide discrepancy between the stories and the times and only one time and place can be correct....ding dong.

Define "wide discrepancy".  And then tell me whether or not in your view it is possible for the three statements to have such "wide discrepancies" because of mistaken recollections on the part of one or more of the protagonists.

[faithlilly]

Define "wide discrepancy".  And then tell me whether or not in your view it is possible for the three statements to have such "wide discrepancies" because of mistaken recollections on the part of one or more of the protagonists.

So you belueve Gerry is mistaken and he dug his heels in about where he was standing why ?