Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!

[sadie]

Most likely Gerry went part way across the road and met up with Jez.  Because of the danger of standing in the road and because they both needed to be on the west side of the road for the routs they were both taking, they quickly moved across to the position clearly shown by Jane in the Cutting Edge Video and also by Jez in his plan.

That is close to the corner of the alleyawy, but Gerry on the very edge of the pavement and Jez in the kerb but most probably protected from traffick by parked cars .  IIRC Stephen Carpenter mentioned the parked cars.


Given the evidence that we have, I truly do not think that they chatted anywhere really close to the gate to 5A.  Although at 6 metres away they were fairly close in vague terminology.  I think that is the best that I can concede Pegasus.

They were by the alleyway corner but it wasn't too far from the gate at about 6 metres.

In addition to the above , I have finally found what i was looking for.

Jezes account of where he first saw Gerry and by simple logics where they finally finished up chatting, which would have ben roughly half way between them, near the corner of the alleyway  NOT by the gate.



http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm


-snip-
After leaving the WC, I continued to walk around the back of the tennis court, and returned via the pathway opposite the pool in the Tapas complex. Whilst walking the streets, I was hoping my son would fall asleep. Some of the walkways did not have an exit and for this reason I walked practically in circles. When walking one of these paths, I came across a tourist called Curtis with his girlfriend whose name I do not know. He also knew Gerry from the tennis lessons. I remember passing by them but I assumed they were headed to dinner. Eventually, I left one road to the other side of the street to the pool complex, between the McCann apartment and the Tapas Bar. In order to visualise this street, I believe it was the street most used by the news agencies and journalists as all the parked cars indicated during the coverage period.  When I left the street, I remember seeing Gerry on the other side of the same.  So Jez was opposite the tapas Reception leaving the little car park there

I believe that there was some speculation in the press regarding the circumstances of this encounter. I remember that I crossed the street to talk to Gerry. According to what I remember, Gerry was walking when I spotted him. As I mentioned previously, I assumed that he had gone to check on the children and was headed back to the Tapas Bar. So Gerry was walking towards the Tapas Bar when Jez spotted him from the parking area almost opposite the tapas Reception ... and they walked to meet each other. 


Still think that Gerry was talking to Jez at the little gate at the bottom of the steps?

[G-Unit]

I don't know why it matters, but Jeremy Wilkins made three statements. In two of them he mentioned being near the gate and the stairs. He adds a precise measurement when he says he was 5 meters north of the passage. The gate is 6 meters north of the passage.

His rogatory statement was less detailed because he had been allowed to read his previous statements where the detail was and also his memory was less fresh as he said. Jane Tanner was more concerned in her statements to defend her belief that the men were on the same side of the road as she was, but her sketch puts them north of the passage.

So we have a badly drawn sketch and a vague rogatory statement against two detailed statements and a well drawn sketch. My conclusion is that Wilkins' earlier statements are likely to be more accurate. There is certainly no way it can be 'proved' that the men met level with the entry to the passage.

I met him near the stairs of a ground floor. There was a gate leading up to some stairs. I was pretty certain that he had left the apartment.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

As he approached the corner of the McCanns apartment, he saw Gerry appear from the area of the gate. He crossed the road and engaged in general conversation with Gerry. At this time they were stood with Gerry's back to the building near to the gate and Jeremy facing him. Rua Dr Agostino was about 10-15 meters to his right and the pathway leading to the front of the apartment blocks about 5 meters to his left
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

When I left the street, I remember seeing Gerry on the other side of the same. I believe that there was some speculation in the press regarding the circumstances of this encounter. I remember that I crossed the street to talk to Gerry. According to what I remember, Gerry was walking when I spotted him.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

[pathfinder73]

In addition to the above , I have finally found what i was looking for.

Jezes account of where he first saw Gerry and by simple logics where they finally finished up chatting, which would have ben roughly half way between them, near the corner of the alleyway  NOT by the gate.



http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm


-snip-
After leaving the WC, I continued to walk around the back of the tennis court, and returned via the pathway opposite the pool in the Tapas complex. Whilst walking the streets, I was hoping my son would fall asleep. Some of the walkways did not have an exit and for this reason I walked practically in circles. When walking one of these paths, I came across a tourist called Curtis with his girlfriend whose name I do not know. He also knew Gerry from the tennis lessons. I remember passing by them but I assumed they were headed to dinner. Eventually, I left one road to the other side of the street to the pool complex, between the McCann apartment and the Tapas Bar. In order to visualise this street, I believe it was the street most used by the news agencies and journalists as all the parked cars indicated during the coverage period.  When I left the street, I remember seeing Gerry on the other side of the same.  So Jez was opposite the tapas Reception leaving the little car park there

I believe that there was some speculation in the press regarding the circumstances of this encounter. I remember that I crossed the street to talk to Gerry. According to what I remember, Gerry was walking when I spotted him. As I mentioned previously, I assumed that he had gone to check on the children and was headed back to the Tapas Bar. So Gerry was walking towards the Tapas Bar when Jez spotted him from the parking area almost opposite the tapas Reception ... and they walked to meet each other. 


Still think that Gerry was talking to Jez at the little gate at the bottom of the steps?

Get your facts right ...

I met him near the stairs of a ground floor. There was a gate leading up to some stairs. I was pretty certain that he had left the apartment. We spoke for a few minutes. (JW 7 May 2007)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

"Rua Dr Agostino was about 10-15 meters to his right and the pathway leading to the front of the apartment blocks about 5 meters to his left."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

[xtina]

@sadie

Still think that Gerry was talking to Jez at the little gate at the bottom of the steps?


mind you the confusing statements ........no wonder ......it depend on what was said on the day of the statements ...what head they had on ......and what changes were made to fit.because someone is obviously wrong
 

[pegasus]

(snip) ... was opposite the tapas Reception leaving the little car park there ... (snip)

Yes, and the carpark south of block G6 was where most of the satellite vans were parked a few days later, which confirms which carpark the witness describes.
He walks west along the pavement on the south side of block G6, then turns right and walks north along the pavement on the east side of Rua Martins, until he sees GM. Then he crosses to the west side of Rua Martins and chats with GM near a gate.

[pegasus]

The gate is actually drawn on the sketchmap by JW.

[John]

Is this what Jane Tanner saw the night Madeleine disappeared.

Please remember that the actual event took place at around 9.10pm with the orange glow of the sodium street lights providing the only lighting.

Pulling all the statements together we can now establish what Jane observed as she left the Ocean Club reception on her way to check on her children.  Jane had just exited the Club reception and was making her way up the hill when she observed Gerry McCann and Jeremy Wilkins (Jez) chatting on the opposite side of the road.  Gerry had his back to Jane and was facing Jez.  Jez for his part did not know Jane so took no notice of her.

In the distance marked by a red arrow is where a few moments later Jane saw what she describes as a non touristy type man carrying a child in pyjamas with bare feet.


Gerry McCann's version as to where the chat with Jez Wilkins occurred.



The version according to Jane Tanner and Jez Wilkins.

[pegasus]

Thankyou for those very good pictures John.

[pegasus]

Members please note that the Gerry and Jez chat discussion has been moved.(snip)

I think the cutting edge documentary should have had some similar text John
"Viewers of this documentary please note that the Gerry and Jez chat has been moved over the road"

[Eleanor]

Sadie said some posts ago that Gerry could have started to cross the road, when Jeremy Wilkinson started to walk towards him.  It is not inconceivable that Gerry would have stopped since no one would have wanted a pushchair in the middle of the road.

However, much as I might believe that they were standing on the corner of the alleyway, it is not an impossibility on that pavement that neither of them actually registered Jane Tanner.

I believe Jane Tanner, and I am very dubious about Tannerman being a passing holiday maker, mainly because he was coming from entirely the wrong direction.

[pegasus]

Sadie said some posts ago that Gerry could have started to cross the road, when Jeremy Wilkinson started to walk towards him.  It is not inconceivable that Gerry would have stopped since no one would have wanted a pushchair in the middle of the road.

However, much as I might believe that they were standing on the corner of the alleyway, it is not an impossibility on that pavement that neither of them actually registered Jane Tanner.

I believe Jane Tanner, and I am very dubious about Tannerman being a passing holiday maker, mainly because he was coming from entirely the wrong direction.

Good to hear you believe witness JT is truthful Eleanor as I certainly do. So hopefully we can agree the chat was on the 5A side of the the street. What do you make of the opposite claim that the chat was on the block 6 side of the street?

[Eleanor]

Good to hear you believe witness JT is truthful Eleanor as I certainly do. So hopefully we can agree the chat was on the 5A side of the the street. What do you make of the opposite claim that the chat was on the block 6 side of the street?

Just a misunderstanding, and not really relevant anyway.  No one is ever going to be able to prove that Jane Tanner didn't see was she said she saw.

[John]

Thankyou for those very good pictures John.

You're welcome, we've got quite a collection now.

[pegasus]

Just a misunderstanding, and not really relevant anyway.(snip)

There is no misunderstanding - one person definitely places the chat away from 5A, over the road and south.

[Alice Purjorick]

Just a misunderstanding, and not really relevant anyway.  No one is ever going to be able to prove that Jane Tanner didn't see was she said she saw.

If you mean by that she saw an abductor that will hold true for as long as no one is charged and found guilty of any offence relating to Madeleine McCann. If someone is found guilty then we will know whether she[Jane Tanner] did or didn't see.....