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Offline pegasus

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1545 on: April 15, 2016, 07:45:22 PM »
(snip)... if Jez had been there I am sure he would have confirmed Jane's account.
Yes so why did the producers deliberately leave that fact out?
JW's statements were definitely known to the documentary's writers and to that hired PI.
Why didn't he mention them in defence of JT instead of making her look like a liar?
And why did the production proceed to film the chat on the fictional side of the street?

Offline jassi

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1546 on: April 15, 2016, 07:52:43 PM »
Was Clarence involved in the production in any way?  He can be awfully persuasive  8(0(*
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Offline pegasus

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1547 on: April 15, 2016, 07:55:13 PM »
(snip) ... overwrought ... remembered things differently ... (snip)
Do you think the location of the chat is the only fact which might have been misremembered due to being overwrought?

Offline pegasus

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1548 on: April 15, 2016, 08:15:01 PM »
Was Clarence involved in the production in any way?  He can be awfully persuasive  8(0(*
Here's a photo taken on location Jassi.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2016, 08:17:42 PM by pegasus »

Offline Brietta

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1549 on: April 15, 2016, 08:16:14 PM »
Yes so why did the producers deliberately leave that fact out?
JW's statements were definitely known to the documentary's writers and to that hired PI.
Why didn't he mention them in defence of JT instead of making her look like a liar?
And why did the production proceed to film the chat on the fictional side of the street?

I believe something was said along the lines of ... it didn't really matter exactly where the men were standing the important event being filmed was Jane and the man she saw at the top of the street.
Correct me if I am wrong ... but it certainly fits the occasion ... Jane and the man she saw.  The men saw neither and were merely a backdrop to the narrative.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1550 on: April 15, 2016, 08:17:02 PM »
Do you think the location of the chat is the only fact which might have been misremembered due to being overwrought?

Such as ?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline John

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1551 on: April 15, 2016, 08:28:44 PM »
I believe something was said along the lines of ... it didn't really matter exactly where the men were standing the important event being filmed was Jane and the man she saw at the top of the street.
Correct me if I am wrong ... but it certainly fits the occasion ... Jane and the man she saw.  The men saw neither and were merely a backdrop to the narrative.

I don't claim to be a psychologist by any means but when some trauma occurs the brain has a habit of blanking out certain events.  Maybe the more learned among us can explain it better?
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Offline pegasus

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1552 on: April 15, 2016, 08:41:42 PM »
I believe something was said along the lines of ... it didn't really matter exactly where the men were standing the important event being filmed was Jane and the man she saw at the top of the street.
Correct me if I am wrong ... but it certainly fits the occasion ... Jane and the man she saw.  The men saw neither and were merely a backdrop to the narrative.
The film's false claim that JT wrongly remembered the chat location would, if correct, automatically raise the question, well if someone can't remember where the chat was, they probably misremembered where the man carrying a child was, for example maybe he was crossing the road south of tapas reception. If a witness misremembers the location of a chat bv placing it on the wrong side of the road, it casts doubt on the accuracy of every other  thing they remember on that evening doesn't it? Basically the film insults JT, a completely honest witness, by filming the chat in the opposite place to where she told them it was.

Offline jassi

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1553 on: April 15, 2016, 08:47:50 PM »
It's all a bit puzzling, but it must have been portrayed like that  to fit someone's agenda.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1554 on: April 15, 2016, 08:49:43 PM »
The film's false claim that JT wrongly remembered the chat location would, if correct, automatically raise the question, well if someone can't remember where the chat was, they probably misremembered where the man carrying a child was, for example maybe he was crossing the road south of tapas reception. If a witness misremembers the location of a chat bv placing it on the wrong side of the road, it casts doubt on the accuracy of every other  thing they remember on that evening doesn't it? Basically the film insults JT, a completely honest witness, by filming the chat in the opposite place to where she told them it was.

My impression was that they were humouring Gerry because they were anxious to get on with filming the important issue ... which was Jane's sighting and where she was at the time.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1555 on: April 15, 2016, 09:02:38 PM »
It's quite amazing really how people were present in that road at about the same time but none of them saw each other.

Matt was checking between five to and 9pm.
The Moyes returned from town at 9pm ish and were on their balcony at 9.15pm and saw no-one.
Gerry set off to check at 9.05pm
Jez was around between 9.10 and 9.15pm.
The executive chef Arlindo Epifanio Goncalves Fernandes Peleja arrived in the road at 9.10pm and parked his car. He saw no-one.
Jane walked up at 9.15pm but wasn't seen. She saw a man with a child but no-one else saw him.
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Offline jassi

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1556 on: April 15, 2016, 09:05:05 PM »
It's quite amazing really how people were present in that road at about the same time but none of them saw each other.

Matt was checking between five to and 9pm.
The Moyes returned from town at 9pm ish and were on their balcony at 9.15pm and saw no-one.
Gerry set off to check at 9.05pm
Jez was around between 9.10 and 9.15pm.
The executive chef Arlindo Epifanio Goncalves Fernandes Peleja arrived in the road at 9.10pm and parked his car. He saw no-one.
Jane walked up at 9.15pm but wasn't seen. She saw a man with a child but no-one else saw him.

And presumably neither Matt, Jane or Russel were observed by anyone  when they made their trips a little later
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Offline pegasus

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1557 on: April 15, 2016, 09:10:05 PM »
My impression was that they were humouring Gerry because they were anxious to get on with filming the important issue ... which was Jane's sighting and where she was at the time.
Sorry but there is no place in investigation for "humouring" a witness.
JT remembered the carrier's location correctly, therefore she remembered the chat location correctly.
The two events are only seconds apart, so it's impossible she would remember one correctly and the other completely incorrectly.
Fact is she remembered both the chat location and the carrier location correctly.
You can't have one without the other.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2016, 09:13:23 PM by pegasus »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1558 on: April 15, 2016, 09:16:55 PM »
I don't claim to be a psychologist by any means but when some trauma occurs the brain has a habit of blanking out certain events.  Maybe the more learned among us can explain it better?

Gerry said he remembered looking up at Jes because he was taller. If Jes was on the road then he shouldn't be unless he's a lot taller.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline jassi

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1559 on: April 15, 2016, 09:19:34 PM »
Gerry said he remembered looking up at Jes because he was taller. If Jes was on the road then he shouldn't be unless he's a lot taller.

But haven't we been told that he is a giant of a man - well over 6 foot   @)(++(*
« Last Edit: April 15, 2016, 10:09:27 PM by Brietta »
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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