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AnneGuedes

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Gerry is a very tall man, an imposing figure of a man.  Am not sure how tall the kerbs are, or how tall Jez is. 

Gerry isn't  taller than 1m80 (I saw him). Russell is imposing. Jane is tall and Jez shorter than Gerry and bellied.

1.80 = 5.92 feet, almost 6 feet.

I have met him too and had a conversation with him.  I think he is taller than 6 feet and he cuts an imposing figure.  Very fit looking and very handsome, with penetrating eyes.   

I would put him at 6'2" at an educated guess.

I have never met Jane or Jez
As he seduced you, your guess could be subjective...

AnneGuedes

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Wow.  I went to bed before Sadie's last few posts last night. What an eye-opener this morning!  Whether you intend to or not Sadie, you come across like a besotted schoolgirl swooning over a matinee idol I'm afraid.  You continue to put forward pet theories (we now have the car of the alleged abductor's alleged accomplice's alleged getaway vehicle in the mix, allegedly throwing light temporarily over bundleman at the EXACT moment required for JT to look up and spot the PJs the alleged girl he was allegedly carrying was allegedly wearing.

I'm not using the world "allegedly" for no reason Sadie, you understand? No-one KNOWS what happened. That's why we're still here talking about it.

The person your brave, intelligent schoolgirl saw was investigated by the PJ. It was Michael Anthony Green.  There are NO "watchers" that were reported that haven't been investigated and ruled out. You fail to allow for this in your theories - well, you don't even present them as theories, rather facts - about "how the nasty abductor, his accomplice, his getaway car and Uncle Tom Cobbleigh and all dunnit!"

Indeed C. Edwards, well said.

Sadie gives the pretense of neutrality, but in reality it's .....

Abduction, pure and straight.
Sadie's story telling reminds me of Enid Blyton.

AnneGuedes

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Did Jane Tanner get the time mixed up, when she checked? and could have possibly seen JW earlier\or later

These are typed versions of the two time lines, written that night\early hours by the group, on the inside over of the Madeleine's colouring book.

Why did O'B almost immediately on JT's return go back to the children. Keep in mind it was MO who went with him that returned to say, he (O'B) had remained behind, since one of the children had vomited, thus necessitating JT to ''relieve him'' so he could return to his meal.

''Timeline 1 (as per sticker book above)

8:45. pm

Matt returns 9.00-9.05 - listened at all 3
                               - all shutters down

Jerry 9.10-9.15 in the room + all well
                      ? did he check

9.20/5 - Ella Jane checked 5D sees stranger & child

9.30 - Russ. Ella Matt check all 3


9.35 - Matt check see twins

9.50 - Russ returns

9.55 - Kate realised Madeleine

10pm - Alarm raised

Timeline 2 (as per sticker book above)

8.45pm. all assembled at poolside for food

9.00pm. Matt Oldfield listens at all 3 windows 5A, B, D ALL shutters down

9:15pm Gerry McCann looks at room A ? Door open to bedroom

9:20pm Jane Tanner checks 5D - [sees stranger walking carrying a child]

9.30 Russell O'Brien in 5D. Poorly daughter
 

9.55pm

10:00pm. Alarm raised after Kate

Gerald''

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The original versions are also on the ^^ url.



http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN.htm
Witness statement of Russel O'Brien 4th May 2007 @ 9.45

''At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals. While they were eating, it was normal that every 15 minutes, one person from each apartment would go to the apartments/bedrooms make sure the children were ok. Yesterday, as **** was not well, the interval between checks was reduced. He recalls that Matthew Oldfield left the restaurant at shortly after 9pm to check the children. He is no longer sure who went out first, but five minutes later, Gerry McCann and his own partner, Jane, went out, almost at the same time, to check the children. Jane could have come back first because she found Gerry chatting with a person who is also a guest in the same place, named Jez. He thinks that Jane only checked their apartment, being worried about ****. Then Gerry came back at around 9.25/9.30 and they started to eat the first course. [as entradas]".

At around 9.35/9.40, taking advantage of the lull [waiting pause] before being served with the first [main] course, the informant left the restaurant with Matthew to check the children. When he got there, his daughter **** was crying. He stayed in her bedroom with her. He supposes that Matthew checked his apartment. Matthew returned to the restaurant five minutes after leaving it. His partner came to take his place in ****'s bedroom around 15 minutes later after finishing dinner.

At around 9.55, he went back to the restaurant where his food had been waiting for 5 or 10 minutes. All the other adults had finished.''

A bit difficult to fit some of that in the timeline, but this what makes the timelines so interesting.  The one minute people are checking every 30 or so minutes, next it's almost 10-15 minutes apart.  Then if Jane got back before Gerry, although this is a total uncertainty, where was Gerry?  Jane would have known if she passed him twice whilst chatting to JW.

But in any event for all the dining & attendance at the Tapas Bar, if according to this alleged version of events, Mr McCann was either at some time in the apartment with the abductor
> got in via the unlocked patio door, thus ahead of Mr McCann & hid
 or the abductor did, whilst Mr McCann was stood outside by the side gate
> got in through the shutter & unlocked window
> have a duplicate key to get in via the front main door

But strange that he left the windows & shutters open, yet managed to close the front door & perhaps lock it? If of course that is the exit route

And in the event of Mr Oldfield being totally oblivious  to the open windows & shutter, conclusion could also be that Madeleine disappeared after his check.  But where does that leave the JT sighting?
JT could have only heard GMC tell he had met JW (it seems that's how he explained he took time) and reconstructed her sighting (real) of the abductor.

icabodcrane

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What strikes me about this  thread  (  which has been excellent )  is how very  markedly different Gerry McCann's recollection is to that of the other two people who were there

In the video clip on this thread  (  the McCann documentary/reconstruction )  the McCann's private detective, Dave Edgar,  mentions how there are always  'discrepencies'  in this sort of investigation   (  as a way of explaining why the disagreement between Gerry and Jane about where they were standing was not even relevent )

Now,  to me,  the fact that Jez Wilkins remembered both he and Gerry being on the pavement whilst they had their conversation ...  and Jane Tanner remembering that one of the men was standing on the pavement,  whilst the other stood on the road close to the kerb  ...  could be explained as one of those  'discrepencies'  Dave Edgar was refering to  (  a slightly different recollection,  but not so different that could be seen as  'conflicting'  evidence

Gerry's recollection,  though,  directly conflicts with that of both Jane and Jez

Gerry   insists  that it was he who crossed the road that night whilst the other two people present say that did not happen

When Dave Edgar presented that conflict as unimportant I was bemused

What was 'important'  about the differing recollections is that by his own recollection Gerry McCann had  placed himself  in the only  position where it would have been  impossible for him to have seen either Jane or  the abductor

Offline peter claridge

What is really important to realise about this meeting is that Jes is certain that Jane Tanner didn't walk past them, whereas Gerry knows she didn't!

AnneGuedes

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What was 'important'  about the differing recollections is that by his own recollection Gerry McCann had  placed himself  in the only  position where it would have been  impossible for him to have seen either Jane or  the abductor
This shows this episode wasn't a covering up asked by GMC to JT, using the independent witness JW. If covering, she would have seen the abductor when coming back from her check, 20m ahead first on Agostinho da Silva and then crossing Gentil Martins. Passed the corner, she would have seen GMC leaving JW and returning to the Tapas. JW wouldn't have noticed her, of course, but it would have been acceptable.

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A bit difficult to fit some of that in the timeline, but this what makes the timelines so interesting. The one minute people are checking every 30 or so minutes, next it's almost 10-15 minutes apart. Then if Jane got back before Gerry, although this is a total uncertainty, where was Gerry? Jane would have known if she passed him twice whilst chatting to JW.

She remembers that at about 21.10 Gerald left the restaurant (3) to go to the apartment to check on the children. Five minutes later, the witness left, to go to her apartment to see whether her daughters were OK. At this moment she saw Gerry talking to an Englishman called Jez whom they had got to know during the holidays. They played tennis with him.

She passed by them knowing that Gerry had already been in the apartment (1) to check his children.

Meanwhile a man appeared ( * ) carrying a child (**), with a hurried walk, it being this detail together with the fact that the child dressed in pyjamas, without being wrapped up in a blanket, that caught her attention. She only managed to see him from the side, with the child in his arms. She noticed the individual's presence exactly when she had just passed by Gerry and Jez who were talking, having seen this person step off the pavement that borders on the apartment block where they were staying and rapidly cross the road.

The entrance to the apartment building (1) is exactly at the place (street) where the individual appeared from.

After checking on her daughters, she returned to the restaurant. On her way back Gerry was no longer talking in the place where she had seen him.

When she arrived at the restaurant Gerry was already there, accompanied by his wife, Kate.


About 15-20 minutes later, her husband Russell and Matthew left to check on the children. As her daughter E**e was restless and crying, Russell stayed in the apartment.

Meanwhile Matthew went to check his child and those of Kate and Gerry. According to what he said, he saw the twins but he did not see Madeleine. As there was no noise he supposed that all was well and returned to the restaurant. Matthew informed the witness that Russell had stayed in the apartment.

After having quickly eaten her main course, the witness went to her apartment in order to take over from Russell, so that he could have his dinner.

When she was in the apartment, at about 22.00- 22.15 she heard Kate and Fiona shouting and saying that Madeleine had disappeared.
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Offline sadie

Wow.  I went to bed before Sadie's last few posts last night. What an eye-opener this morning!  Whether you intend to or not Sadie, you come across like a besotted schoolgirl swooning over a matinee idol I'm afraid.  You continue to put forward pet theories (we now have the car of the alleged abductor's alleged accomplice's alleged getaway vehicle in the mix, allegedly throwing light temporarily over bundleman at the EXACT moment required for JT to look up and spot the PJs the alleged girl he was allegedly carrying was allegedly wearing.

I'm not using the world "allegedly" for no reason Sadie, you understand? No-one KNOWS what happened. That's why we're still here talking about it.

The person your brave, intelligent schoolgirl saw was investigated by the PJ. It was Michael Anthony Green.  There are NO "watchers" that were reported that haven't been investigated and ruled out. You fail to allow for this in your theories - well, you don't even present them as theories, rather facts - about "how the nasty abductor, his accomplice, his getaway car and Uncle Tom Cobbleigh and all dunnit!"

Indeed C. Edwards, well said.

Sadie gives the pretense of neutrality, but in reality it's .....

Abduction, pure and straight.
Of course no-one knows absolutely what happened, but it all fits and that is more than anything you have come up with.

So pleased you enjoyed it C.Ed @)(++(*


Now mon petit Stephen.  You demonstrated your ability to understand things when you demanded to know how Leonor Cipriano knew she was kneeling on glass ash trays in Big footie forum. 
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Sadie is NOT neutral,  sadie is a pro. 
sadie has analysed the possibilities for The Mccanns to have done what you [ censored word] claim and there is NO WAY that it was possible. 
sadie has witnessed the altering of evidence

sadie has taken note of what the PT authorities say
sadie has taken note of what SY say
sadie has witnessed the Mccanns pushing for more in depth investigation


sadie has witnessed the lies that have issued forth from the mouths of [ censored word]
sadie has witnessed awful myths put about initially and thought to have come from Amaral and Cristavao
sadie has witnessed the fact that both Amaral and Cristavao have criminal records


sadie has witnessed two cops make megabucks out of abducted children by writing sensational books, based upon myths and rubbish
sadie has witnessed the very obvious love that Gerry and Kate have for their children
sadie has witnessed unbelievable cruelty shown to a grieving couple by certain [ censored word]


sadie has witnessed unbelievable torture to probably innocent peeps by the PJ in the Faro division
sadie has witnessed disgusting Injustice in the PT courts
sadie has seen lies put out as truths


sadie has seen a pattern of abductions over 14 years
sadie has seen 2 abductions in less than 3 years prior to Madeleines and both within 18 miles of PdL including two in the previous
sadie has mapped all eight abductions
sadie has mapped a series of sightings in the hours immediately after the abduction

sadie has noticed that the sightings the day after the abduction go straight back to where the very first abduction took place 

And sadie has found out a multitude of other things that she is not prepared to share on a public forum, but has shared with SY

sadie has a pretty good idea who dun-it.


Yeah, of course sadie is a pro BUT if you can provide any evidence to make her think otherwise sadie will listen and will consider ... and if necessary change her views, just as she just changed her views on which pavement


Cos primarily sadie is interested in Justice

OK  Any takers? 8((()*/

icabodcrane

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Speaking of yourself in the third person is not a healthy sign

I say that out of concern

Offline sadie

Speaking of yourself in the third person is not a healthy sign

I say that out of concern
That is so considerate of you Icabod.  Thankyou ?{)(**

What did you think of the list (incomplete) of my reasons for being a pro?

Offline John

Following on from our little exercise on Sunday I came across these scenes from the Amaral video.  Is it coincidental that Amaral chose to go with Wilkins and Tanners recollection of events and discounted Gerry McCanns?



Gerry McCann chats with Jeremy Wilkins.




Jane Tanner slips by on the inside.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

icabodcrane

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Thanks for the screen grabs Jonh,  and for your meticulous  work on this thread

(  perhaps we could have a thread with  contrasting screen grabs from the Amaral documentary and the McCann documentary showing the man passing the Smith family  .... that would make for another good debate  )   


icabodcrane

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Before we move on though,  I think it is important that we draw a conclusion  on the  evidence provided on this thread  (  no point in evolving information if we are not going to look at it and decide what it tells us )


Offline sadie

No let's have the Mccann video first,  See where they placed Gerry and Jez.




Now I cant find it.  Can anyone pls?

More cheating?  Changing the playing field again from level to sloping.  One sided ?

Part of Amarals ACE?


Wipe all the info out that can help the Mccanns ... and flood the internet with disinformation  ... hope that i am wrong

Can anyone find it?  Purlease