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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #60 on: January 19, 2025, 08:17:36 PM »
There is room for reasonable doubt in the HB case. Yes the crime is very similar to DM but there's nothing placing CB at the scene & it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that someone else could have dunnit. If I were a juror, on the evidence, personally I don't think I could find him guilty & risk sending an innocent man to prison. Or maybe I'm just biased in support of rapists murderers & paedophiles?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #61 on: January 19, 2025, 08:27:14 PM »
Have you offered him your spare room when he’s released?  Perhaps he can earn a few quid babysitting the kids in the neighbourhood.

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #62 on: January 19, 2025, 08:53:06 PM »
There is room for reasonable doubt in the HB case. Yes the crime is very similar to DM but there's nothing placing CB at the scene & it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that someone else could have dunnit. If I were a juror, on the evidence, personally I don't think I could find him guilty & risk sending an innocent man to prison. Or maybe I'm just biased in support of rapists murderers & paedophiles?
Nothing placing him at the scene of the crime except his victimwho is 100% certain it was him.  There’s nothing placing Gerry in downtown PdL carrying a child except a witness who was less certain than HB was yet as a juror in that case I’m sure you’d have no doubt finding him guilty. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #63 on: January 19, 2025, 08:58:43 PM »
Nothing placing him at the scene of the crime except his victimwho is 100% certain it was him.  There’s nothing placing Gerry in downtown PdL carrying a child except a witness who was less certain than HB was yet as a juror in that case I’m sure you’d have no doubt finding him guilty.

No I'm sorry. HB can be as sure as she likes but 'he had blue eyes' isn't enough. Did the BKA manage to interview & rule out every other six foot blonde blue eyed German in Portugal at the time?
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #64 on: January 19, 2025, 09:35:15 PM »
Spammy is already in the spare room.

No. The padded cell.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #65 on: January 19, 2025, 09:48:19 PM »
No I'm sorry. HB can be as sure as she likes but 'he had blue eyes' isn't enough. Did the BKA manage to interview & rule out every other six foot blonde blue eyed German in Portugal at the time?
Did the PJ manage to interview and rule out every man who was in PdL on the night of 3rd May?
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2025, 09:52:47 PM »
Did the PJ manage to interview and rule out every man in PdL with a young daughter who was in PdL on the night of 3rd May?

Why are you changing the subject?
We are talking about HB. The McCann case is entirely unrelated. Could you really convict Brueckner on such scant evidence?
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Offline faithlilly

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #67 on: January 19, 2025, 09:57:14 PM »
You do know defence lawyers will say anything to try and destroy the prosecution’s case  don’t you?  Can any of these so-called facts be backed up with evidence?  I seem to recall Greek police confirming that no payments were sought or made to Busching when he first gave his statment so do you have evidence that contradicts this?

I haven’t read anything from the prosecution correcting Fuelscher claims, have you and it would have been very easy to check.

Absolutely the Greek police said that but do you think that perhaps Busching was playing the long game with his eye on the ‘reward’ prize….but sssshhhh he wasn’t telling the police about that?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #68 on: January 19, 2025, 10:26:23 PM »
Why are you changing the subject?
We are talking about HB. The McCann case is entirely unrelated. Could you really convict Brueckner on such scant evidence?
Entirely unrelated.  Sure,  that’s why we’re discussing him and his crimes on the Madeleine McCann forum on a thread about no charges for Bruckner wrt to her disappearance.  I was merely illustrating your double standards when it comes to the strength of evidence in each case.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #69 on: January 19, 2025, 10:52:04 PM »
I haven’t read anything from the prosecution correcting Fuelscher claims, have you and it would have been very easy to check.

Absolutely the Greek police said that but do you think that perhaps Busching was playing the long game with his eye on the ‘reward’ prize….but sssshhhh he wasn’t telling the police about that?
Right so let’s try and work this out:
1) Busching commits at least two rapes in the Algarve in 2004 / 2005. 
2) Madeleine disappears 2007
3) Busching decides to claim the reward money by enlisting the support of Seyferth to concoct a plot framing his old mate CB by going to the McCanns detectives with details of a bogus video and a made-up story about CB confessing to taking Madeleine.
4) Nothing happens and many years pass
5) After serving time for people smuggling Busching decides to resurrect his plot to claim the reward money and tells the Greek authorities about CB’s confession and the videos depicting rapes similar to those he himself committed but with different individuals and locations involved.
6) Police check this information out and see that the details closely match those of the rape of DM reported many years before
7) DNA from that rape (committed lets not forget by Busching) turns out by some bizarre twist of fate to belong to the innocent man he accuses of committing that rape, CB.
8) CB is found guilty of a rape he didn’t commit and jailed for 7 years.
9) Further investigations reveal details of another reported rape that is similar to but not identical to the rapes described by Bushing on the video tapes,, this time that of a young Irish woman who comes to believe 100% that her rapist is CB, but unbenownst to her the rapist is actually Busching.
10) Busching together with his terminally ill accomplice Seyferth, agree to give evidence in a new trial brought against CB.  They’re playing the long game (but probably not that long in Seyferth’s case) in the hopes that eventually they will get their hands on the Madeleine reward money.
11) At the trial, despite a previous court finding CB guilty on the back of Busching’s alleged video tape revelations this time the judge finds him not guilty because the judge feels the publicity surrounding the case means he could not get a fair trial, though why this could not have been ascertained before the trial ever got started is not quite clear.
12) Meanwhile the victim HB continies to claim CB was 100% her attacker, little realising that the real culprit was one of the witnesses who deliberately put himself back in the courtroom with his unsuspecting victim sitting close by in the witness box.

Phew.  Complicated innit.  Did I miss anything out?

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #70 on: January 19, 2025, 11:03:27 PM »
Entirely unrelated.  Sure,  that’s why we’re discussing him and his crimes on the Madeleine McCann forum on a thread about no charges for Bruckner wrt to her disappearance.  I was merely illustrating your double standards when it comes to the strength of evidence in each case.

OK, so what is the connection between the HB case & Madeleine’s disappearance?
And I never said anything about being able to convict the McCanns on the evidence in that case. You're making an assumption here. It is possible to be 100% certain the McCanns dunnit but also understand that there isn't enough evidence against them to charge them with anything.
Anyway. About HB. Brueckner didn't do it.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #71 on: January 20, 2025, 07:08:37 AM »
OK, so what is the connection between the HB case & Madeleine’s disappearance?
And I never said anything about being able to convict the McCanns on the evidence in that case. You're making an assumption here. It is possible to be 100% certain the McCanns dunnit but also understand that there isn't enough evidence against them to charge them with anything.
Anyway. About HB. Brueckner didn't do it.
It’s also possible to be 100% certain CB dunnit but also understand there isn’t enough evidence to charge him or to find him guilty of the HB rape which some people on this forum don’t seem able to grasp. 
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Offline The General

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #72 on: January 20, 2025, 07:17:05 AM »
It’s also possible to be 100% certain CB dunnit but also understand there isn’t enough evidence to charge him or to find him guilty of the HB rape which some people on this forum don’t seem able to grasp.
Enough? There's none, that's the problem.
HCW seems to be pretty old school, going to court with no forensics and proclaiming an innocent man guilty with none either. Quite a novel approach to prosection and one which I very much doubt he will get a chance to deploy again.
Even Captain Cringe must be cringing for HCW right now.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #73 on: January 20, 2025, 08:23:02 AM »
Enough? There's none, that's the problem.
HCW seems to be pretty old school, going to court with no forensics and proclaiming an innocent man guilty with none either. Quite a novel approach to prosection and one which I very much doubt he will get a chance to deploy again.
Even Captain Cringe must be cringing for HCW right now.
Of course there was evidence, don’t be so silly.  For one, there were 5 separate cases tried and in one of them CB (a convicted paedo) was literally caught pants down, todger out in a children’s playground with kids in it.  You don’t think there was enough evidence there to convict for at the very least indecent exposure?  I’m not cringing for HCW brcsuse unlike you I can’t summon up enough emotion to feel very much at all about the man. I think he has tried damned hard to keep a dangerous man off the steeets though, perhaps too hard.
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Offline The General

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #74 on: January 20, 2025, 09:06:58 AM »
Of course there was evidence, don’t be so silly.  For one, there were 5 separate cases tried and in one of them CB (a convicted paedo) was literally caught pants down, todger out in a children’s playground with kids in it.  You don’t think there was enough evidence there to convict for at the very least indecent exposure?  I’m not cringing for HCW brcsuse unlike you I can’t summon up enough emotion to feel very much at all about the man. I think he has tried damned hard to keep a dangerous man off the steeets though, perhaps too hard.
He's been chasing his dream. Why did he prosecute these cases?
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