Any news on JB's 2025 CCRC application?

[Vertigo Swirl]

This is what JB said in his first statement-  About 3.10 a.m. I recieved a  telephone call from my father. His voice was distressed and he said something like 'Sheila's gone crazy,she has got a gun'. After a few seconds the phone went dead.

I?m sure you know that in court he claimed to have stayed in the line for a while and could hear noises elsewhere in the house.  Also the phone was off the hook when found was it not?  It seems inconceivable that Nevill would not have added ?phone the police? or ?I have phoned the police? if that is what is now being claimed he did and just left his son hanging like that.  I could understand it if he suddenly heard a gun shot or a scream but Jeremy made no mention of either happening during the call.

[The General]

The ridiculous timeline suggested by Blogsy aside, with Nevill failing to mention in the phonecall that Sheila had crowned him with the rifle butt, Nevill's wounds are consistent with a man who fought with every fibre of his being to protect his family; serious, life-threatening injuries, broken bones, defensive wounds - that man went out on his shield. If his attacker was Sheila he would have folded her up like a deck chair pretty early on in proceedings and subdued her.
All logic and reason tells us that a frail, unstable, 8st woman could not inflict those injuries on a man twice her size. Even blindsided or hit over the head by Sheila while sleeping it wouldn't take long for him to deal with her. Your average farmer develops unnatural strength, so this is not old gramps, sitting in his armchair in his slippers.

No, Bamber had to kill Nevill, and I bet he shit himself when Nevill put up almighty resistance over several minutes.
And we have to remember that Bamber had to make it look plausible that Sheila killed everyone, so couldn't manually stangle him, or bludgeon him with a tyre iron or hammer, so he had not choice but to try to get shots off, manipulating him into position to do so.

....and if I'm going to continue to discuss this case I'm going to have to refer to Bamber as 'the cnut' from now on, if everyone's OK with that.

[Joe Blogs]

With all due respect to everyone, this thread is really about the latest submission and the question, 'does it contain any new material'?
And with all due respect, i've heard all the arguments about Sheila's size and strength too!
The question I am asking is quite simple really, when was Nevill lying against the Aga?
That is, if you accept that the Aga caused the burns to Nevills back, how does this fit into 'your' crime scene scenario?
Thats all I want to know!
You see, its all very well saying Sheila couldn't do this or couldn't do that, but if the Aga burn evidence points to a guilty Sheila then we will simply have to accept that she 'could' have done this or that on the night of the murders!
Now I can understand why those who think JB is guilty dont want to accept the Aga evidence or even discuss it, for try as they may, they know that Nevill lying against the Aga for several hours just doesn't fit into a JB guilt scenario!
The Aga evidence is just a nuisence for them, their scenario is, or at least 'was' quite simple, Nevill was shot in the bedroom ran downstairs and was beaten and shot to death in the kitchen soon after, ending up on a chair/scuttle!
But!! if by chance the Aga evidence is proven and accepted by the CCRC then the police scenario will obviously have to be updated to include the burns!
So people, you have two choices, either sit tight and hope the CCRC throw the Aga evidence out, or give your own Aga burn scenario meantime in preparation, just incase Boyce's evidence is indeed proven and accepted!

[The General]

With all due respect to everyone, this thread is really about the latest submission and the question, 'does it contain any new material'?
And with all due respect, i've heard all the arguments about Sheila's size and strength too!
The question I am asking is quite simple really, when was Nevill lying against the Aga?
That is, if you accept that the Aga caused the burns to Nevills back, how does this fit into 'your' crime scene scenario?
Thats all I want to know!
You see, its all very well saying Sheila couldn't do this or couldn't do that, but if the Aga burn evidence points to a guilty Sheila then we will simply have to accept that she 'could' have done this or that on the night of the murders!
Now I can understand why those who think JB is guilty dont want to accept the Aga evidence or even discuss it, for try as they may, they know that Nevill lying against the Aga for several hours just doesn't fit into a JB guilt scenario!
The Aga evidence is just a nuisence for them, their scenario is, or at least 'was' quite simple, Nevill was shot in the bedroom ran downstairs and was beaten and shot to death in the kitchen soon after, ending up on a chair/scuttle!
But!! if by chance the Aga evidence is proven and accepted by the CCRC then the police scenario will obviously have to be updated to include the burns!
So people, you have two choices, either sit tight and hope the CCRC throw the Aga evidence out, or give your own Aga burn scenario meantime in preparation, just incase Boyce's evidence is indeed proven and accepted!

Bollix to you Joe Blogs, with your magic aga theory. You don't like hearing the truth, that's why your new old evidence is so important to you.
He'll be dead soon anyway, hopefully, the cnut.

[Vertigo Swirl]

With all due respect to everyone, this thread is really about the latest submission and the question, 'does it contain any new material'?
And with all due respect, i've heard all the arguments about Sheila's size and strength too!
The question I am asking is quite simple really, when was Nevill lying against the Aga?
That is, if you accept that the Aga caused the burns to Nevills back, how does this fit into 'your' crime scene scenario?
Thats all I want to know!
You see, its all very well saying Sheila couldn't do this or couldn't do that, but if the Aga burn evidence points to a guilty Sheila then we will simply have to accept that she 'could' have done this or that on the night of the murders!
Now I can understand why those who think JB is guilty dont want to accept the Aga evidence or even discuss it, for try as they may, they know that Nevill lying against the Aga for several hours just doesn't fit into a JB guilt scenario!
The Aga evidence is just a nuisence for them, their scenario is, or at least 'was' quite simple, Nevill was shot in the bedroom ran downstairs and was beaten and shot to death in the kitchen soon after, ending up on a chair/scuttle!
But!! if by chance the Aga evidence is proven and accepted by the CCRC then the police scenario will obviously have to be updated to include the burns!
So people, you have two choices, either sit tight and hope the CCRC throw the Aga evidence out, or give your own Aga burn scenario meantime in preparation, just incase Boyce's evidence is indeed proven and accepted!

It won?t be accepted because even if by some miracle it can be proven without doubt that those burns were caused by the Aga knobs it doesn?t necessarily follow that the only way they could have got there is if Sheila murdered her entire family.  IMO.  Maybe Jeremy left Nevill for dead in the kitchen but the latter wasn?t quite finished off, got up with one last almighty effort got to the chair and collapsed toward the coal scuttle headfirst.  For example.

[Joe Blogs]

Bollix to you Joe Blogs, with your magic aga theory. You don't like hearing the truth, that's why your new old evidence is so important to you.
He'll be dead soon anyway, hopefully, the cnut.

Maybe its you who doesn't like hearing the truth about the Aga burns, General!

[Joe Blogs]

It won?t be accepted because even if by some miracle it can be proven without doubt that those burns were caused by the Aga knobs it doesn?t necessarily follow that the only way they could have got there is if Sheila murdered her entire family.  IMO.  Maybe Jeremy left Nevill for dead in the kitchen but the latter wasn?t quite finished off, got up with one last almighty effort got to the chair and collapsed toward the coal scuttle headfirst.  For example.

No, it wasn't possible for Nevill to get up from the Aga once JB left, he had four bullets in his brain, Vertigo!
If JB left him against the Aga,then it was the police who moved him sometime after entry at 7.40!
It isn't easy to come up with a guilty JB scenario which includes Nevill burning his back on the Aga, not without the police tampering with the crime scene!

[Vertigo Swirl]

No, it wasn't possible for Nevill to get up from the Aga once JB left, he had four bullets in his brain, Vertigo!
If JB left him against the Aga,then it was the police who moved him sometime after entry at 7.40!
It isn't easy to come up with a guilty JB scenario which includes Nevill burning his back on the Aga, not without the police tampering with the crime scene!

If Sheila csn have a violent struggle with a man twice her size and win, then Nevill can hoist himself off the ground with four bullets in his brain, both theories equally nutty imo.

[Joe Blogs]

If Sheila csn have a violent struggle with a man twice her size and win, then Nevill can hoist himself off the ground with four bullets in his brain, both theories equally nutty imo.

Well, there's nutty, and then there's scientifically impossible, Vertigo!

[Caroline]

With all due respect to everyone, this thread is really about the latest submission and the question, 'does it contain any new material'?
And with all due respect, i've heard all the arguments about Sheila's size and strength too!
The question I am asking is quite simple really, when was Nevill lying against the Aga?
That is, if you accept that the Aga caused the burns to Nevills back, how does this fit into 'your' crime scene scenario?
Thats all I want to know!
You see, its all very well saying Sheila couldn't do this or couldn't do that, but if the Aga burn evidence points to a guilty Sheila then we will simply have to accept that she 'could' have done this or that on the night of the murders!
Now I can understand why those who think JB is guilty dont want to accept the Aga evidence or even discuss it, for try as they may, they know that Nevill lying against the Aga for several hours just doesn't fit into a JB guilt scenario!
The Aga evidence is just a nuisence for them, their scenario is, or at least 'was' quite simple, Nevill was shot in the bedroom ran downstairs and was beaten and shot to death in the kitchen soon after, ending up on a chair/scuttle!
But!! if by chance the Aga evidence is proven and accepted by the CCRC then the police scenario will obviously have to be updated to include the burns!
So people, you have two choices, either sit tight and hope the CCRC throw the Aga evidence out, or give your own Aga burn scenario meantime in preparation, just incase Boyce's evidence is indeed proven and accepted!

They didn't and he wasn't .............. NEXT!

[Joe Blogs]

They didn't and he wasn't .............. NEXT!

Sorry, Caroline, who's 'they' and 'who' wasn't?
Can you expand a little please!

[adam]

Most people think Nevill was burnt to check for signs of life. Even some supporters although have not explained how Sheila was able to lift Nevill onto the coal scuttle/chair.

That is the most simple explanation. Bamber had the time, strength and available equipment.

The police/raid team moving him & then lying about it or Nevill being knocked out for 3 hours are too unlikely.

[Joe Blogs]

Most people think Nevill was burnt to check for signs of life. Even some supporters although have not explained how Sheila was able to lift Nevill onto the coal scuttle/chair.

That is the most simple explanation. Bamber had the time, strength and available equipment.

The police/raid team moving him & then lying about it or Nevill being knocked out for 3 hours are too unlikely.

Checking for signs of life is something you do before rushing someone to a hospital, Adam!

[Vertigo Swirl]

Checking for signs of life is something you do before rushing someone to a hospital, Adam!

Or if you want to ensure they’re dead.  You know that experiment with the pig skin - was it done under clothes fabrics?

[Joe Blogs]

Or if you want to ensure they’re dead.  You know that experiment with the pig skin - was it done under clothes fabrics?

I am not aware of Boyce covering the pig skin in cloth for his experiments, Vertigo, but he may have done!
Maybe some with cloth and some without?? I really dont know, but no doubt all his experimentation will have been given to the CCRC!
We have to bear in mind too that Nevills pyjama jacket had a tear in it, so it may have catched on part of the Aga as he fell, pulling it to one side, hence no marks on the jacket!