Any news on JB's 2025 CCRC application?

[Joe Blogs]

You’re not though as you won’t countenance the possibility that the burns on Nevill’s back were caused by something other than the aga and you won’t countenance the possibility that JB is guilty.

Well my starting point is accepting that the Aga did cause the burns, and then forming a scenario around this fact, Vertigo!
That is the stance I am taking for this exercise.

[anglolawyer]

Saw an article in the Guardian today. CCRC not referring the case to the Court of Appeal. Contains a new (ie new to me) point, namely that a 999 call was made from WHF at 6.09 AM on 6 Aug 85. I’m as skeptical about this as I am about Neville’s supposed call to Chelmsford police the same night because:

• the evidence for it is murky
• had the call been made, not only Blake (the officer monitoring the open line) would have known about it, so would the emergency operator, whoever he or she passed it onto, the person to whom it was passed & inevitably also the officers on the scene
• like Neville’s supposed call, it would have settled the case definitively, putting it beyond any doubt that Sheila was the killer & that as of 7 Aug 85 there was no doubt at all what happened & no need for further enquiry
• since the lead officer in the case pronounced murder-suicide at once, there would have been no reason to hide or suppress evidence of the call, the reputation of Essex police not being at stake
• a subsequent suppression of records of the call, a bizarre scenario, would rope in yet more conspirators who, for no reason or advantage to themselves & at great risk to their liberty, would have jeopardised their careers by suppressing or destroying evidence

ETA the article said 4 of 10 grounds had been considered. The CCRC is still considering the other 6.

[Myster]

Saw an article in the Guardian today. CCRC not referring the case to the Court of Appeal. Contains a new (ie new to me) point, namely that a 999 call was made from WHF at 6.09 AM on 6 Aug 85. I’m as skeptical about this as I am about Neville’s supposed call to Chelmsford police the same night because:

• the evidence for it is murky
• had the call been made, not only Blake (the officer monitoring the open line) would have known about it, so would the emergency operator, whoever he or she passed it onto, the person to whom it was passed & inevitably also the officers on the scene
• like Neville’s supposed call, it would have settled the case definitively, putting it beyond any doubt that Sheila was the killer & that as of 7 Aug 85 there was no doubt at all what happened & no need for further enquiry
• since the lead officer in the case pronounced murder-suicide at once, there would have been no reason to hide or suppress evidence of the call, the reputation of Essex police not being at stake
• a subsequent suppression of records of the call, a bizarre scenario, would rope in yet more conspirators who, for no reason or advantage to themselves & at great risk to their liberty, would have jeopardised their careers by suppressing or destroying evidence

ETA the article said 4 of 10 grounds had been considered. The CCRC is still considering the other 6.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/04/review-body-ccrc-refuses-to-refer-jeremy-bamber-murder-case-back-court-of-appeal

I think you mean Nicholas Milbank?  Heidi Blake wrote The New Yorker article.

Regarding Nevill's alleged call to the police...

https://www.mediafire.com/file/tsqmckweq303th6/PC_MICHAEL_WEST_LOW_DEF.mp4/file

Transcript of former PC Michael West's appearance on the Mindhouse series, Episode 4 (around 30:50 mins in)...

Thirty years is a good time to come round and say -"That's not what happened".   The phone call from Jeremy to me has always been a matter of interest to others.

This is the log of my phone call that I received from Jeremy, timed 03.36.

I'm the receiver 1990 - that was my Collar number.  I've written - Father phoned Age 62 - "Please come over, your sister has gone crazy and has the gun" - the phone went dead.

So if you then look at the log that Malcolm Bonnett started... the sender he's recorded as CD, in brackets 1990.  So the person who spoke to Malcolm Bonnett is myself.  So all of the information on there refers to what I have said to Malcolm Bonnett. He's receiving it third hand and has transposed it third hand.  Malcolm Bonnett recorded the time that I spoke to him at 03.26. Much is made that this referred to a phone call that Nevill Bamber made, but nowhere on there does that say Nevill Bamber, and of course if I'd rung Malcolm Bonnett ten minutes after he'd had a phone call from Nevill Bamber, you tend to think the first words out of his mouth would be - "That's a coincidence, Mick... I've just had a phone call from Nevill Bamber" - Nothing of the sort.

There was an error over the time... I looked at a clock.  There was no time stamp on a computer that there would be today.  Some of the errors were just human nature.  It's risible in my opinion to think that at any stage I was part of a conspiracy.  I was a young police officer, but that's all it was... a simple error made by a young police constable at half past three in an uneventful, up until then, night shift.

[Myster]

ETA the article said 4 of 10 grounds had been considered. The CCRC is still considering the other 6.

They took four years to examine the first 4.  How long do you think it would take for the rest?

[The General]

They took four years to examine the first 4.  How long do you think it would take for the rest?

It seems a deeply flawed organisation. I'm not suggesting the outcomes are wrong, but the process and structure are lamentable.

[anglolawyer]

Thanks for the correction, Myster, & for the useful further detail about Neville’s supposed call. It’s entirely what I would expect.

[Caroline]

But surely it does tell us who the killer was, Caroline! You see, if we accept that the police did not move Nevill, and accept that the Aga burned Nevills back, then this can only mean that the burns were formed much earlier on when Nevill was still alive! Roughly between 12.00-3.00.
Doesn't that scenario rule out Bamber?

How does that rule out Bamber?

[Joe Blogs]

How does that rule out Bamber?

Well, April spelled it out for you, Caroline, JB would not take three hours to kill his family! No way!

[APRIL]

Well, April spelled it out for you, Caroline, JB would not take three hours to kill his family! No way!
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  I have spelled out nothing, other than to respond to a suggestion made by you, following a timeline created by you, which means nothing because it's something you've made up and can't be verified................'course, you could still be doing a wind up.

[Joe Blogs]

Well, April spelled it out for you, Caroline, JB would not take three hours to kill his family! No way!
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  I have spelled out nothing, other than to respond to a suggestion made by you, following a timeline created by you, which means nothing because it's something you've made up and can't be verified................'course, you could still be doing a wind up.

Ha ha! Very good, April!
But no! Absolutely no wind up!
And I believe Jeremy Nevill Bamber and the CT will sooner or later agree that Sheila knocked Nevill out and left him alive lying by the Aga! I dont think they will have any choice, it is the only route left for them as far as I can see!

[Caroline]

Well, April spelled it out for you, Caroline, JB would not take three hours to kill his family! No way!

Who said he did?

[Caroline]

Well my starting point is accepting that the Aga did cause the burns, and then forming a scenario around this fact, Vertigo!
That is the stance I am taking for this exercise.

Right and as yet, you haven't been able to make it relevant to the murders.

[Joe Blogs]

Who said he did?

The Aga marks, Caroline, 'They' said he did!
If the marks took several hours to form as Philip Boyce claims, then JB had to wait in the Whitehouse until this happened, and then [somehow] get Nevill onto the chair/scuttle! Right?

[APRIL]

Ha ha! Very good, April!
But no! Absolutely no wind up!
And I believe Jeremy Nevill Bamber and the CT will sooner or later agree that Sheila knocked Nevill out and left him alive lying by the Aga! I dont think they will have any choice, it is the only route left for them as far as I can see!

Quite likely JB will. He's tried most other hairbrained ideas, ie cake baking and poetry reading.. Why not Aga burning courtesy of Sheila. Maybe he'll suddenly remember her having body building lessons, too?

[The General]

Well, April spelled it out for you, Caroline, JB would not take three hours to kill his family! No way!

Is this it? Is this the sum total of your theory?
You're relying on one of the more insignificant and obscure pieces of evidence to base your case upon.
You still haven't explained how Sheila battered Nevill. You stated that you don't know. In fact you've stated 'I don't know, none of us know, we weren't there' to anything that you can't even begin to explain.

Don't you see, you have your whimsical aga theory, whereas there's about 20 other aspects you dare not touch, because you can't come up with anything remotely rational.

For example, explain Sheila's appearance - no cuts, abrasions, bruises to hands or forearms, in fact none at all.
Her nails were in tact (this alone would probably be enough to dismiss a case against a live accused) having shot 25 times and reloaded multiple times. No gunshot residue on her hands / forearms which is an impossibility having fired 25 times. Clean nighty.
I know you say there was no 'almighty struggle',  but there obviously was a struggle when Nevill incurred life-threatening injuries. Again, illogical to the point of absurd.
If you flip this on its head for a second, if you have the required cognition, if Sheila was alive, no court in the land would convict her given the described above. It wouldn't get to court, it wouldn't pass the simplest of tests. That's not reasonable doubt, it's absolutely no doubt.

You need to park your aga theory and just explain the above, then we can talk agas, pigskins and burns.