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Offline Brietta

Re: Deleted calls/texts and use of mobiles
« Reply #106 on: June 02, 2015, 01:48:06 PM »
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2089.240


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Albym cracked that one years ago.

An old post from 3a:

The number that sent the 14 received text messages is: +44781852****
This is a Vodaphone voice mail service number - I rang it and that's what it says.

They will be messages notifiying him of a voicemail message being left.

Gerry (or someone) checked his voicemail twice in the evening by dialling 91121 (Vodafone voicemail).

So Gerry was getting voicemail throughout the day from one or more callers.

He didn't respond to any of them using his mobile on the 2nd or 3rd of May.

He got no voicemail messages on May 3rd.

He got 4 on May 4th.

**** I just took off the last 4 digits.

Whether Vodafone still does this or not, many operators did at the time: they'd send you frequent reminders by SMS to remind you to consult your voicemail, whether it was one voice message or several.

Gerry said that his phone only held 10 messages (mine only held 10 back then as well.) Damned annoying if you've left your phone on standby and find all these reminders for what may be for the same message that you'd hadn't listened to. And when you're on roaming you pay each time.


"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Deleted calls/texts and use of mobiles
« Reply #107 on: June 02, 2015, 01:57:26 PM »

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Albym cracked that one years ago.

An old post from 3a:

The number that sent the 14 received text messages is: +44781852****
This is a Vodaphone voice mail service number - I rang it and that's what it says.

They will be messages notifiying him of a voicemail message being left.

Gerry (or someone) checked his voicemail twice in the evening by dialling 91121 (Vodafone voicemail).

So Gerry was getting voicemail throughout the day from one or more callers.

He didn't respond to any of them using his mobile on the 2nd or 3rd of May.

He got no voicemail messages on May 3rd.

He got 4 on May 4th.

**** I just took off the last 4 digits.

Whether Vodafone still does this or not, many operators did at the time: they'd send you frequent reminders by SMS to remind you to consult your voicemail, whether it was one voice message or several.

Gerry said that his phone only held 10 messages (mine only held 10 back then as well.) Damned annoying if you've left your phone on standby and find all these reminders for what may be for the same message that you'd hadn't listened to. And when you're on roaming you pay each time.

There's Albym and there's those incompetent dunderheads of Portuguese prosecutors who could neither find anything amiss with telephone communications:

The non involvement of the arguidos parents of Madeleine in any penally relevant action seems to result from the objective circumstances of them not being inside the apartment when she disappeared, from the normal behaviour that they adopted until said disappearance and afterwards, as can be amply concluded from the witness statements, from the telephone communications analysis and also from the forensics' conclusions, namely the Reports from the FSS and from the National Institute for Legal Medicine.

If only these people had the acumen and wisdom of posters on this site ....

Offline Carana

Re: Deleted calls/texts and use of mobiles
« Reply #108 on: June 02, 2015, 02:06:43 PM »

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Albym cracked that one years ago.

An old post from 3a:

The number that sent the 14 received text messages is: +44781852****
This is a Vodaphone voice mail service number - I rang it and that's what it says.

They will be messages notifiying him of a voicemail message being left.

Gerry (or someone) checked his voicemail twice in the evening by dialling 91121 (Vodafone voicemail).

So Gerry was getting voicemail throughout the day from one or more callers.

He didn't respond to any of them using his mobile on the 2nd or 3rd of May.

He got no voicemail messages on May 3rd.

He got 4 on May 4th.

**** I just took off the last 4 digits.

Whether Vodafone still does this or not, many operators did at the time: they'd send you frequent reminders by SMS to remind you to consult your voicemail, whether it was one voice message or several.

Gerry said that his phone only held 10 messages (mine only held 10 back then as well.) Damned annoying if you've left your phone on standby and find all these reminders for what may be for the same message that you'd hadn't listened to. And when you're on roaming you pay each time.


Just for clarification: I should have differentiated my comment from Albym's post. My comment on that starts towards the end: "**** I just took off the last 4 digits."


Offline pathfinder73

Re: Deleted calls/texts and use of mobiles
« Reply #109 on: June 02, 2015, 03:56:55 PM »
Text Messages and calls ‘can now be submitted in court as evidence’

21st May 2015

In a historic ruling, Évora’s court of appeal has clarified that text messages (even if they are not read) and mobile phone records can now be used in criminal cases and do not require any authorisation by a judge.

But emails - which can be accessed by mobile phones - can only be used if the person to whom they have been addressed has read them.
The decision was announced in today’s Diário de Notícias which claimed the law up until now has been “unclear in this context”.

Indeed it could have changed endless police investigations in the past - not least the original Madeleine McCann inquiry.

As TVI24 reveals, in 2007 Portimão Judge Pedro Frias “refused the PJ the right to look at text messages on Kate McCann’s mobile phone”, justifying his decision on the basis that “telephonic interceptions could not be authorised after the event”, and that he “could not authorise the consultation of written messages sent and received before receiving a request” to this effect.

Indeed TVI has run an exposé on the “controversial judge” (see our story elsewhere), adding that in 2007 “there were many voices” speaking out against this decision.

Now, as a result of the appeal court’s decision, the PJ would have had a great deal more investigative freedom.

Évora’s judges were asked to rule on the law following a case of theft in Serpa where the suspect had “inadvertently” left his mobile phone at the scene of the crime.

To find out who he was, police had gone through the man’s text messages and phone records.

The Public Ministry had argued that this was the kind of action that only a judge could authorise, but the panel defended that, “in essence”, a message kept in digital support “had the same protection as a written letter received in the post that had been opened and then filed in a personal file”.

Referring specifically to the case in Serpa, which DN stressed “should now apply to other cases”, the use of this kind of material should not require “previous intervention by a judge” to be authorised as proof.

Within hours of running the story, DN had received a number of commentaries both for and against.

natasha.donn@algarveresident.com
 
http://portugalresident.com/text-messages-and-calls-“can-now-be-submitted-in-court-as-evidence”
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Deleted calls/texts and use of mobiles
« Reply #110 on: June 02, 2015, 04:30:32 PM »
Text Messages and calls ‘can now be submitted in court as evidence’

21st May 2015

In a historic ruling, Évora’s court of appeal has clarified that text messages (even if they are not read) and mobile phone records can now be used in criminal cases and do not require any authorisation by a judge.

But emails - which can be accessed by mobile phones - can only be used if the person to whom they have been addressed has read them.
The decision was announced in today’s Diário de Notícias which claimed the law up until now has been “unclear in this context”.

Indeed it could have changed endless police investigations in the past - not least the original Madeleine McCann inquiry.

As TVI24 reveals, in 2007 Portimão Judge Pedro Frias “refused the PJ the right to look at text messages on Kate McCann’s mobile phone”, justifying his decision on the basis that “telephonic interceptions could not be authorised after the event”, and that he “could not authorise the consultation of written messages sent and received before receiving a request” to this effect.

Indeed TVI has run an exposé on the “controversial judge” (see our story elsewhere), adding that in 2007 “there were many voices” speaking out against this decision.

Now, as a result of the appeal court’s decision, the PJ would have had a great deal more investigative freedom.

Évora’s judges were asked to rule on the law following a case of theft in Serpa where the suspect had “inadvertently” left his mobile phone at the scene of the crime.

To find out who he was, police had gone through the man’s text messages and phone records.

The Public Ministry had argued that this was the kind of action that only a judge could authorise, but the panel defended that, “in essence”, a message kept in digital support “had the same protection as a written letter received in the post that had been opened and then filed in a personal file”.

Referring specifically to the case in Serpa, which DN stressed “should now apply to other cases”, the use of this kind of material should not require “previous intervention by a judge” to be authorised as proof.

Within hours of running the story, DN had received a number of commentaries both for and against.

natasha.donn@algarveresident.com
 
http://portugalresident.com/text-messages-and-calls-“can-now-be-submitted-in-court-as-evidence”

Yes, certainly would have been useful for these communications:-

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BRIGADE-OF-INFORMATION.htm

*snip*

In the timing diagrams (Annexes 5, 6 and 7) calls on days 2, 3 and 4 May were reviewed and analysed.
All phones were identified where possible, whether Portuguese, English or other nationality. Telephone lists from PT, TMN, VODAPHONE and OPTIMUS [the four service operators] were used. Collaboration from officers of the UK police was relied on to identify telephones of that country. Similarly, they correlated all the phone numbers in the inquiry and the calendars under review.
It was sought to compare and to correlate, whether through the flow charts of calls, or through the cell masts activated by the mobile phones, by place/time, the declarations made by each one of those seen.

No discrepancies were found between the time line (statements of RM, MW and SM) and the timing diagram, either in terms of the time that calls were made or received, or in terms of masts activated. But there were omissions, due to forgetfulness or intent.

In this way, one realises, only for him, it is not proven, for determined periods of time, where Robert Murat was located, specifically in the period in which Madeleine disappeared.

[At this point the report lists various calls made and received on RM's mobile and his (and his mother's) fixed service number on 2 and 3 May.
The report continues:]

Observation:
There should be new inquiries made of Robert and Michaela in order to clarify the calls between them on 3 May from 20h15 to 20h25 (fixed), from 23h20 to 23h29 (mobile), from 23h55 to 23h37 (mobile), 23h40 to 23h47 (mobile) and from 23h53 to 24h01 (fixed).
And the call of 30 seconds from Robert to Sergey at 23h39 ' the only such call on those days.

In the flow charts (Annexes 8, 9, and 10) there were considered and analysed connections on days 1, 2, 3 and 4 May 2007, relating to each telephone.

In the flow chart (Annexe 11 - combination of call in Annexes 8, 9 and 10) there were considered and analysed connections on the days 1, 2, 3 and 4 May 2007, together with the target numbers.

- In the period under review, calls by phone and SMS between RM and MW are demonstrated, ether by mobile or fixed service phones.
- No calls are recorded between MW and SM. Between RM and SM only one call is recorded.
- No common numbers are shared between SM and RM, nor between SM and MW.
- Only one common number was found between RM and MW  707960000  UZO (Call Centre

Offline sadie

Re: Deleted calls/texts and use of mobiles
« Reply #111 on: June 04, 2015, 12:05:14 AM »
Heriberto Janosch has just completed a brand new analysis of the phone calls.

I have taken little notice of this thread because I dont even use a mobile, but it seems to me that Heri has collated some pretty impressive stuff which may mean loads to some of you


http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com.es/2015/06/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-analysis.html


Hope that it helps

Offline Brietta

Re: Deleted calls/texts and use of mobiles
« Reply #112 on: June 04, 2015, 12:47:59 AM »
Heriberto Janosch has just completed a brand new analysis of the phone calls.

I have taken little notice of this thread because I dont even use a mobile, but it seems to me that Heri has collated some pretty impressive stuff which may mean loads to some of you


http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com.es/2015/06/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-analysis.html


Hope that it helps

I'm a numpty when it comes to 'pings' and things, Sadie, thanks for the update ... Heri always explains things so succinctly so I'll see if he is able to explain it all even to me.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Deleted calls/texts and use of mobiles
« Reply #113 on: June 04, 2015, 03:07:27 AM »
Heriberto Janosch has just completed a brand new analysis of the phone calls.

I have taken little notice of this thread because I dont even use a mobile, but it seems to me that Heri has collated some pretty impressive stuff which may mean loads to some of you


http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com.es/2015/06/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-analysis.html


Hope that it helps
It does, Sadie, it does.  I'm not sure Heriberto is accurate, but the Optimus info is worth its weight in gold.
What's up, old man?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Deleted calls/texts and use of mobiles
« Reply #114 on: June 04, 2015, 08:34:12 AM »

Really interesting, both Blogs.  I have had some vague idea of how it works for some time, but now it is much more clear.

Thanks to both.

Offline Brietta

Re: Deleted calls/texts and use of mobiles
« Reply #115 on: June 06, 2015, 04:24:24 PM »
Really interesting, both Blogs.  I have had some vague idea of how it works for some time, but now it is much more clear.

Thanks to both.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com.es/2015/06/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-analysis_5.html

Heri has added part 2 ...  all explained in language that even I understand ... so he is good!! ... and there is more to come ~
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....