Where Is Amaral's Ace He Promised

[Eleanor]

I don't know about having 'an Ace to play'  in the up-coming libel trial, but I suppose there is a possibility that hitherto unknown information, damaging to the McCanns, might be revealed

It occured to me on another thread that the McCanns were completely unaware of the existance of Lee Rainbow's report, for instance

Their lawyer was clearly unprepared and offered no rebuttal to the claims made in court by Amaral's lawyer regarding Rainbow's report  ...  and I recall Gerry subsequently appearing flustered outside the court room

The Rainbow report had been kept confidential, and I wonder if that is because it was part of the British police evidence that the McCanns were denied access to when they applied for it in court

It is certainly within the realms of possibility that  other damaging evidence is contained in those British police files that the McCanns have not been allowed to see ...  which may, yet, emerge if their legal action against Amaral goes ahead

So how did Amaral and his Lawyers get their hands on this supposedly damaging stuff?  This is just plain ridiculous.  Unless Amaral with held evidence while he was in charge of The Case.

[icabodcrane]

I don't know about having 'an Ace to play'  in the up-coming libel trial, but I suppose there is a possibility that hitherto unknown information, damaging to the McCanns, might be revealed

It occured to me on another thread that the McCanns were completely unaware of the existance of Lee Rainbow's report, for instance

Their lawyer was clearly unprepared and offered no rebuttal to the claims made in court by Amaral's lawyer regarding Rainbow's report  ...  and I recall Gerry subsequently appearing flustered outside the court room

The Rainbow report had been kept confidential, and I wonder if that is because it was part of the British police evidence that the McCanns were denied access to when they applied for it in court

It is certainly within the realms of possibility that  other damaging evidence is contained in those British police files that the McCanns have not been allowed to see ...  which may, yet, emerge if their legal action against Amaral goes ahead

So how did Amaral and his Lawyers get their hands on this supposedly damaging stuff?  This is just plain ridiculous.  Unless Amaral with held evidence while he was in charge of The Case.

The McCanns took the British police to court in order to get access to the information contained in their files

Kate McCann says in her book that she was shocked by the force of the British police's opposition and the lengths to which they seemed prepared to go to deny them access to the files

There is,  therefore,  much in the British police files that the McCanns have never seen  ...   but of which Amaral has knowledge

How he and his lawyers were abe to produce the Rainbow report  ( or copy of it ) in court,   I do not know

[Eleanor]

I don't know about having 'an Ace to play'  in the up-coming libel trial, but I suppose there is a possibility that hitherto unknown information, damaging to the McCanns, might be revealed

It occured to me on another thread that the McCanns were completely unaware of the existance of Lee Rainbow's report, for instance

Their lawyer was clearly unprepared and offered no rebuttal to the claims made in court by Amaral's lawyer regarding Rainbow's report  ...  and I recall Gerry subsequently appearing flustered outside the court room

The Rainbow report had been kept confidential, and I wonder if that is because it was part of the British police evidence that the McCanns were denied access to when they applied for it in court

It is certainly within the realms of possibility that  other damaging evidence is contained in those British police files that the McCanns have not been allowed to see ...  which may, yet, emerge if their legal action against Amaral goes ahead

So how did Amaral and his Lawyers get their hands on this supposedly damaging stuff?  This is just plain ridiculous.  Unless Amaral with held evidence while he was in charge of The Case.

The McCanns took the British police to court in order to get access to the information contained in their files

Kate McCann says in her book that she was shocked by the force of the British police's opposition and the lengths to which they seemed prepared to go to deny them access to the files

There is,  therefore,  much in the British police files that the McCanns have never seen  ...   but of which Amaral has knowledge

How he and his lawyers were abe to produce the Rainbow report  ( or copy of it ) in court,   I do not know

The McCanns went to court to get access to some of the information, which they were given.

The Rainbow Report was never that important and did not contain undisclosed evidence.

I don't know how Amaral obtained certain things, other than from someone leaking it after he was sacked.

[ferryman]

Kate McCann says in her book that she was shocked by the force of the British police's opposition and the lengths to which they seemed prepared to go to deny them access to the files

There is,  therefore,  much in the British police files that the McCanns have never seen  ...   but of which Amaral has knowledge

That is skewed.

What is true is that the McCanns asked for certain information while they were still arguidos which they were denied.  I admit that even I thought that (the request of the McCanns) a tad forward at that juncture.

What was true at that juncture is not remotely true since.

I think it highly likely that the McCanns have seen more than we've seen on line and beyond doubt what they have will be much better translated than much of what we see on line.

I've no clue whether the McCanns have Harrison's report, but I confidently predict it doesn't contain any unpleasant surprises except, possibly, for Amaral, who appeared to believe he had 'corrected' Harrison on interpretation of the forensic results from the car ...

We know from Kate's book that Bob Small expected the PJ to be in for a rude awakening when the files were released, but we don't see his report on-line, either.

No unpleasant surprises, except possibly for Amaral, there, either.

[icabodcrane]

I don't know about having 'an Ace to play'  in the up-coming libel trial, but I suppose there is a possibility that hitherto unknown information, damaging to the McCanns, might be revealed

It occured to me on another thread that the McCanns were completely unaware of the existance of Lee Rainbow's report, for instance

Their lawyer was clearly unprepared and offered no rebuttal to the claims made in court by Amaral's lawyer regarding Rainbow's report  ...  and I recall Gerry subsequently appearing flustered outside the court room

The Rainbow report had been kept confidential, and I wonder if that is because it was part of the British police evidence that the McCanns were denied access to when they applied for it in court

It is certainly within the realms of possibility that  other damaging evidence is contained in those British police files that the McCanns have not been allowed to see ...  which may, yet, emerge if their legal action against Amaral goes ahead

So how did Amaral and his Lawyers get their hands on this supposedly damaging stuff?  This is just plain ridiculous.  Unless Amaral with held evidence while he was in charge of The Case.

The McCanns took the British police to court in order to get access to the information contained in their files

Kate McCann says in her book that she was shocked by the force of the British police's opposition and the lengths to which they seemed prepared to go to deny them access to the files

There is,  therefore,  much in the British police files that the McCanns have never seen  ...   but of which Amaral has knowledge

How he and his lawyers were abe to produce the Rainbow report  ( or copy of it ) in court,   I do not know

The McCanns went to court to get access to some of the information, which they were given.

The Rainbow Report was never that important and did not contain undisclosed evidence.

I don't know how Amaral obtained certain things, other than from someone leaking it after he was sacked.

That is incorrect Eleanor

The McCanns took the British police to court to get hold of  all  the files

An extract from Kate's book :

"Given the extreme opposition we faced, we realized this was a battle we weren't going to win. Reluctantly, we made a tactical decision to accept a smaller amount of information. Having to withdraw was quite galling, especially as the eighty one items disclosed to us included trivial details that our family had passed on to the police in the first place"

The McCanns,  unlike Amaral,  have no knowledge of what is in those British police files 

[ferryman]

The McCanns,  unlike Amaral,  have no knowledge of what is in those British police files

(Now) untrue, but even if it were true, the prosecutors have read everything and can find no basis for any supposition that the McCanns or their friends committed any crime by Portuguese law.

[icabodcrane]

Kate McCann says in her book that she was shocked by the force of the British police's opposition and the lengths to which they seemed prepared to go to deny them access to the files

There is,  therefore,  much in the British police files that the McCanns have never seen  ...   but of which Amaral has knowledge

That is skewed.

What is true is that the McCanns asked for certain information while they were still arguidos which they were denied.  I admit that even I thought that (the request of the McCanns) a tad forward at that juncture.

What was true at that juncture is not remotely true since.

I think it highly likely that the McCanns have seen more than we've seen on line and beyond doubt what they have will be much better translated than much of what we see on line.

I've no clue whether the McCanns have Harrison's report, but I confidently predict it doesn't contain any unpleasant surprises except, possibly, for Amaral, who appeared to believe he had 'corrected' Harrison on interpretation of the forensic results from the car ...

We know from Kate's book that Bob Small expected the PJ to be in for a rude awakening when the files were released, but we don't see his report on-line, either.

No unpleasant surprises, except possibly for Amaral, there, either.

There is no evidence to suggest the McCanns were given access to the British police files  after their Arguido status was lifted

Conversely though,  there is evidence that the McCanns relationship with Leicester police remains distant

In her book, Kate says the their connection with Leicester police has dwindled since the Autumn of 2007,  which makes her sad

She adds that the Leicester Force still takes the line that they'll pass on any relevent information to the Portuguese authorities.  Kate says that while that is all that is legally expected of them, she'd hoped for so much more

Kate also says this in her book :

"Crucially, we do not have access to all of the information that has come into the inquiry. The Portuguese authorities possess a great deal of material that was not included in the police file released into the public domain. The British police, too, hold information we do not have"

I realize that Kate's book was published some time ago,  but I'm not aware of any evidence to suggest the things she speaks about here have changed since then

[gilet]

Their lawyer was clearly unprepared and offered no rebuttal to the claims made in court by Amaral's lawyer regarding Rainbow's report

No rebuttal was needed.  Rainbow's report didn't contain what Cabrita claimed.

Exactly! I wonder did Cabrita learn from Bennett or was it the other way round?

[ferryman]

"Crucially, we do not have access to all of the information that has come into the inquiry. The Portuguese authorities possess a great deal of material that was not included in the police file released into the public domain. The British police, too, hold information we do not have"

I suspect you may have the Portuguese copy of Kate's book?  In which case the numbering will be different from the British.

But at least, what chapter does that extract come from, please?

[icabodcrane]

"Crucially, we do not have access to all of the information that has come into the inquiry. The Portuguese authorities possess a great deal of material that was not included in the police file released into the public domain. The British police, too, hold information we do not have"

I suspect you may have the Portuguese copy of Kate's book?  In which case the numbering will be different from the British.

But at least, what chapter does that extract come from, please?

 

Portuguese copy ?  ...  don't think so, I bought it from WHSmith's in the high street  ( on discount ) 

The direct quote I gave from Kate  ( vebatim )  is on page 367 in the chapter  'Adapting To Our New Life'

[Rachel Granada]

If Amaral has an "ace" it can surely only relate to anything that pertains to before early Oct 2007 when he was taken off the case? And if so, any such "ace" would have surely been superseded by the PT AG's report of july 2008 in the archiving despatch?

[Rachel Granada]

Amaral has no "ace".  He was removed from the case at less then a third of the way through... so what could he possibly "know" later than early October 2007?  He is going to get the floor wiped with him in court. He should have done the decent thing and slunk away in Oct 2007 instead of trying to line his own pockets on the back of this tragedy.

[Redblossom]

Amaral has no "ace".  He was removed from the case at less then a third of the way through... so what could he possibly "know" later than early October 2007?  He is going to get the floor wiped with him in court. He should have done the decent thing and slunk away in Oct 2007 instead of trying to line his own pockets on the back of this tragedy.

thats what you were saying three years ago and the floor was wiped with the mccanns at the book trial and after, based on that result, have zilch chance of winning and they know it

[Rachel Granada]

Amaral has no "ace".  He was removed from the case at less then a third of the way through... so what could he possibly "know" later than early October 2007?  He is going to get the floor wiped with him in court. He should have done the decent thing and slunk away in Oct 2007 instead of trying to line his own pockets on the back of this tragedy.

thats what you were saying three years ago and the floor was wiped with the mccanns at the book trial and after, based on that result, have zilch chance of winning and they know it

I see.  So why have the McCanns not simply withdrawn the libel action and walked away?

[Redblossom]

Amaral has no "ace".  He was removed from the case at less then a third of the way through... so what could he possibly "know" later than early October 2007?  He is going to get the floor wiped with him in court. He should have done the decent thing and slunk away in Oct 2007 instead of trying to line his own pockets on the back of this tragedy.

thats what you were saying three years ago and the floor was wiped with the mccanns at the book trial and after, based on that result, have zilch chance of winning and they know it

I see.  So why have the McCanns not simply withdrawn the libel action and walked away?

Dunno, ask them, two possible reasons, they get a penalty from the PT courts for wasting time, and two, will look bad for them, perhaps stubborness too in the face of defeat, face saving, we shall see soon