Have posters on here actually read Amaral's book?

[ferryman]

THE ENGLISH SPECIALIST DOG TEAM

The heat is scorching on this thirtieth day of July 2007 when two Springer Spaniels, Eddie and Keela, get off the British Airways plane, accompanied by their trainer, Martin Grime. An air-conditioned vehicle is waiting to take them to their accommodation. A vet, who will be on hand during their stay, has been brought in to intervene in case of illness or if the dogs get bitten by a snake. Their mission: to find Madeleine's body and expose those responsible.

Eddie has been involved in a great number of cases, helping the police to resolve a good many riddles, thanks to his sense of smell. Even if the body has been moved, objects the body has touched have been contaminated by its odour, especially porous materials, fabrics, the upholstery in cars, etc. And that odour, Eddie knows how to recognise out of a thousand.

Keela, a scenes of crime specialist, is capable of locating particles of blood even after a place has been cleaned with chemical products or bleach. Sometimes, the residues are so microscopic they are missed by the instruments of the forensic police, as sophicticated as they are, and it's impossible to harvest them without taking all of what they are on.

Eddie is always the first to be brought onto a site. Once he has discerned the odour that he knows so well, it's Keela's turn to go into action, on the lookout for the slightest whiff of blood. The simultaneous presence of the two elements in a given place - blood and cavaver odours - is taken to indicate that a body has been there and that it's probably there that the death occurred.

The dogs' CV is impressive. Besides collaborating in hundreds of investigations, they passed the practical tests brilliantly at the FBI's "Body Farm," the only place in the world where human cadavers are used to simulate homicide scenarios and concealment of bodies.

I actually thought Amaral had not fallen into the trap of stating that Eddie had been involved in hundreds of cases

But I was wrong.

Grime stated over 200 for Eddie alone:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VOLUME_IXprocesso_2265.jpg

SYP say just 37 for Eddie.

They didn't state a number for Keela but she was half Eddie's age ...

[Benice]

I thought Amarals book was sly, spiteful and full of self pity.  It also contains downright lies.

On the other hand - one thing we can be sure about  - is that  Kate's book would have been scrutinised to the Nth degree before it went to publication to ensure there was nothing in it which could be proved to be untrue or be regarded as libellous.

Hence, unlike Amaral  - no-one is sueing Kate McCann over a single word in her book.   

The most dishonest thing I found about Amaral's book is that no-one (who didn't already know) would have a clue that he had never met or spoken to the McCanns in his life.

[Redblossom]

200 individual searches in cases not cases, all logged and documented, maddie case had  several searches in itself but was one case, 37 cases with 10 places on average each is 370 searches, food for thought, think about it, have a nice nite, goodnight

[amaraltheofficeboy]

200 individual searches in cases not cases, all logged and documented, maddie case had  several searches in itself but was one case, 37 cases with 10 places on average each is 370 searches, food for thought, think about it, have a nice nite, goodnight

In English please

[registrar]

I thought Amarals book was sly, spiteful and full of self pity.  It also contains downright lies.

On the other hand - one thing we can be sure about  - is that  Kate's book would have been scrutinised to the Nth degree before it went to publication to ensure there was nothing in it which could be proved to be untrue or be regarded as libellous.

Hence, unlike Amaral  - no-one is sueing Kate McCann over a single word in her book.   

The most dishonest thing I found about Amaral's book is that no-one (who didn't already know) would have a clue that he had never met or spoken to the McCanns in his life.

sharp - and very true

the co-ordinator of a missing child case

never met the parents of the child while in the role

He was probably too occupied with co-ordinating the order of drinks during his endless lunches

[sika]

I thought Amarals book was sly, spiteful and full of self pity.  It also contains downright lies.

On the other hand - one thing we can be sure about  - is that  Kate's book would have been scrutinised to the Nth degree before it went to publication to ensure there was nothing in it which could be proved to be untrue or be regarded as libellous.

Hence, unlike Amaral  - no-one is sueing Kate McCann over a single word in her book.   

The most dishonest thing I found about Amaral's book is that no-one (who didn't already know) would have a clue that he had never met or spoken to the McCanns in his life.

Great post. 

[ferryman]

200 individual searches in cases not cases, all logged and documented, maddie case had  several searches in itself but was one case, 37 cases with 10 places on average each is 370 searches, food for thought, think about it, have a nice nite, goodnight

6 years operational deployment and over 200 cases is what it says.

SYP say just 37.

[Benice]

200 individual searches in cases not cases, all logged and documented, maddie case had  several searches in itself but was one case, 37 cases with 10 places on average each is 370 searches, food for thought, think about it, have a nice nite, goodnight

6 years operational deployment and over 200 cases is what it says.

SYP say just 37.

It's a pity that the page on SYP website showing that figure  is no longer available - but I do remember reading ''37 cases'' and IIRC it went on to say that 6 bodies were involved in those cases?  Although I can't swear to that.

As far as I know, the 200 'cases' referred to the occasions when Eddie did not mistakenly alert to roadkill, or beefburgers etc.   I assume this number must have included training sessions, as if 200 cadavers had been found by Eddie then I'm sure SYP would have been looking for a prolific serial killer and it would have been headline news.

[Mo Stache]

200 individual searches in cases not cases, all logged and documented, maddie case had  several searches in itself but was one case, 37 cases with 10 places on average each is 370 searches, food for thought, think about it, have a nice nite, goodnight

So according to what you have posted; hypothetically - the dogs could have participated in one case where the area was large (say for instance a missing child in a small village) enough to validate 200 searches. And the result could hypothetically be no body found. How does that demonstrate how accurate the dogs are?   

[amaraltheofficeboy]

who mentioned the dogs?

[Mo Stache]

Apologies, not dogs but dog named Eddie. 

[debunker]

THE ENGLISH SPECIALIST DOG TEAM

The heat is scorching on this thirtieth day of July 2007 when two Springer Spaniels, Eddie and Keela, get off the British Airways plane, accompanied by their trainer, Martin Grime. An air-conditioned vehicle is waiting to take them to their accommodation. A vet, who will be on hand during their stay, has been brought in to intervene in case of illness or if the dogs get bitten by a snake. Their mission: to find Madeleine's body and expose those responsible.

Eddie has been involved in a great number of cases, helping the police to resolve a good many riddles, thanks to his sense of smell. Even if the body has been moved, objects the body has touched have been contaminated by its odour, especially porous materials, fabrics, the upholstery in cars, etc. And that odour, Eddie knows how to recognise out of a thousand.

Keela, a scenes of crime specialist, is capable of locating particles of blood even after a place has been cleaned with chemical products or bleach. Sometimes, the residues are so microscopic they are missed by the instruments of the forensic police, as sophicticated as they are, and it's impossible to harvest them without taking all of what they are on.

Eddie is always the first to be brought onto a site. Once he has discerned the odour that he knows so well, it's Keela's turn to go into action, on the lookout for the slightest whiff of blood. The simultaneous presence of the two elements in a given place - blood and cavaver odours - is taken to indicate that a body has been there and that it's probably there that the death occurred.

The dogs' CV is impressive. Besides collaborating in hundreds of investigations, they passed the practical tests brilliantly at the FBI's "Body Farm," the only place in the world where human cadavers are used to simulate homicide scenarios and concealment of bodies.

I actually thought Amaral had not fallen into the trap of stating that Eddie had been involved in hundreds of cases

But I was wrong.

Grime stated over 200 for Eddie alone:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VOLUME_IXprocesso_2265.jpg

SYP say just 37 for Eddie.

They didn't state a number for Keela but she was half Eddie's age ...

I think that you will find that the 200 'cases' referred to is using 'case' as 'incidences'- tests of whether or not he is reacting to foodstufff that is placed there as a test.

Mr Grime is quite clear that a dog alert is meaningless without further confirmation. As dog olfactory ability is more sensitive than the ability of humans to provide supporting forensic information, there must be many incidences where a dog alerts and nothing is found. Such an alert is then uncertain as there are two possible answers- dog alerted to scent that was too minimal to be found by forensics, but which was actually there, or dog alerted in error.

Grime has no way IRL tests of confirming or denying whether foodstuff was there in cases where eddie alerted. All that is possible is that when foodstuff was there (in large enough quantities to be perceived by humans, eddie did not alert. Any alert to subliminal (to humans) scents would go unnoticed and be unknown.

Mr Grime chooses his words carefully to avoid lying but to place the dogs in the best possible light.

[icabodcrane]

THE ENGLISH SPECIALIST DOG TEAM

The heat is scorching on this thirtieth day of July 2007 when two Springer Spaniels, Eddie and Keela, get off the British Airways plane, accompanied by their trainer, Martin Grime. An air-conditioned vehicle is waiting to take them to their accommodation. A vet, who will be on hand during their stay, has been brought in to intervene in case of illness or if the dogs get bitten by a snake. Their mission: to find Madeleine's body and expose those responsible.

Eddie has been involved in a great number of cases, helping the police to resolve a good many riddles, thanks to his sense of smell. Even if the body has been moved, objects the body has touched have been contaminated by its odour, especially porous materials, fabrics, the upholstery in cars, etc. And that odour, Eddie knows how to recognise out of a thousand.

Keela, a scenes of crime specialist, is capable of locating particles of blood even after a place has been cleaned with chemical products or bleach. Sometimes, the residues are so microscopic they are missed by the instruments of the forensic police, as sophicticated as they are, and it's impossible to harvest them without taking all of what they are on.

Eddie is always the first to be brought onto a site. Once he has discerned the odour that he knows so well, it's Keela's turn to go into action, on the lookout for the slightest whiff of blood. The simultaneous presence of the two elements in a given place - blood and cavaver odours - is taken to indicate that a body has been there and that it's probably there that the death occurred.

The dogs' CV is impressive. Besides collaborating in hundreds of investigations, they passed the practical tests brilliantly at the FBI's "Body Farm," the only place in the world where human cadavers are used to simulate homicide scenarios and concealment of bodies.

I actually thought Amaral had not fallen into the trap of stating that Eddie had been involved in hundreds of cases

But I was wrong.

Grime stated over 200 for Eddie alone:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VOLUME_IXprocesso_2265.jpg

SYP say just 37 for Eddie.

They didn't state a number for Keela but she was half Eddie's age ...

Mr Grime chooses his words carefully to avoid lying ...

He  tells the truth, in other words 

[Carana]

He  tells the truth, in other words

In hhis profile he refers to cases, in the report he refers to case searches. It's ambiguous.

Amaral seems to have preferred the former interpretation.

[ferryman]

THE ENGLISH SPECIALIST DOG TEAM

The heat is scorching on this thirtieth day of July 2007 when two Springer Spaniels, Eddie and Keela, get off the British Airways plane, accompanied by their trainer, Martin Grime. An air-conditioned vehicle is waiting to take them to their accommodation. A vet, who will be on hand during their stay, has been brought in to intervene in case of illness or if the dogs get bitten by a snake. Their mission: to find Madeleine's body and expose those responsible.

Eddie has been involved in a great number of cases, helping the police to resolve a good many riddles, thanks to his sense of smell. Even if the body has been moved, objects the body has touched have been contaminated by its odour, especially porous materials, fabrics, the upholstery in cars, etc. And that odour, Eddie knows how to recognise out of a thousand.

Keela, a scenes of crime specialist, is capable of locating particles of blood even after a place has been cleaned with chemical products or bleach. Sometimes, the residues are so microscopic they are missed by the instruments of the forensic police, as sophicticated as they are, and it's impossible to harvest them without taking all of what they are on.

Eddie is always the first to be brought onto a site. Once he has discerned the odour that he knows so well, it's Keela's turn to go into action, on the lookout for the slightest whiff of blood. The simultaneous presence of the two elements in a given place - blood and cavaver odours - is taken to indicate that a body has been there and that it's probably there that the death occurred.

The dogs' CV is impressive. Besides collaborating in hundreds of investigations, they passed the practical tests brilliantly at the FBI's "Body Farm," the only place in the world where human cadavers are used to simulate homicide scenarios and concealment of bodies.

I actually thought Amaral had not fallen into the trap of stating that Eddie had been involved in hundreds of cases

But I was wrong.

Grime stated over 200 for Eddie alone:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VOLUME_IXprocesso_2265.jpg

SYP say just 37 for Eddie.

They didn't state a number for Keela but she was half Eddie's age ...

I think that you will find that the 200 'cases' referred to is using 'case' as 'incidences'- tests of whether or not he is reacting to foodstufff that is placed there as a test.

Mr Grime is quite clear that a dog alert is meaningless without further confirmation. As dog olfactory ability is more sensitive than the ability of humans to provide supporting forensic information, there must be many incidences where a dog alerts and nothing is found. Such an alert is then uncertain as there are two possible answers- dog alerted to scent that was too minimal to be found by forensics, but which was actually there, or dog alerted in error.

Grime has no way IRL tests of confirming or denying whether foodstuff was there in cases where eddie alerted. All that is possible is that when foodstuff was there (in large enough quantities to be perceived by humans, eddie did not alert. Any alert to subliminal (to humans) scents would go unnoticed and be unknown.

Mr Grime chooses his words carefully to avoid lying but to place the dogs in the best possible light.

I beg to differ.  The words preceding, operational deployment and... are unmistakable, I think ...

And Mr Grime certainly lied about Eddie's alleged training in America.

More than that, the cite 200 cases was certainly used by the PJ in the arguido interviews.

ETA: And as you yourself have acknowledged, enhanced victim recovery dog is a marketing ruse of Grime ...