At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?

[icabodcrane]

It is a bit of a dogs dinner isnt it

The only  'evidence'  to support the claim that the police were contacted  before the first call was logged at 22'41pm,  is that people were running around  assuming  that they had been called  ...  but none of them having done so themselves

That is not true icabodcrane so please stop creating myths.  I have already pointed out to you that the police had to have been contacted well before 10.40pm in order to have arrived by 11pm.  This in itself is evidence and evidence by the Portuguese police so please stop posting that there is no evidence of an earlier call.

Evidence comes from many sources both direct and indirect, it is the job of an investigator to interpolate that evidence and fit it together to create a full picture.  Harping on about a telephone call at 11.41pm is only evidence of a telephone call.  It is not evidence of it being the first, the last, the 5th, 6th, or 7th that was made to police that night.

To be absolutely honest, it is bloody stupid to suggest that it took 40 minutes for anyone to call the police when a child had disappeared in such circumstances.  If it had been my child I would have telephoned them within 10 to 15 minutes of the discovery having made a cursory search of the immediate area.

The police were a twenty minute driving distance away when they recieved the first call, at 22.41pm,  and arrived approx twenty minutes later in response

It is you who are creating a myth John  (  and for the life of me, I can't think why )

There is no evidence that someone rang the police earlier on a mobile phone  ...  none at all

I maintain that it is a myth that the police took 50 minutes to respond to the first  ( imaginery )  call 

[John]

So lets see, call commences at 10.41pm.

Add a few minutes for the call itself.

Add another few minutes to get to the radio.

Call the officers on the radio.

Mobile unit finishes up what they were already doing.

What time is that now?   10.51pm or later?

So tell me, how did they get from Odiáxere to Praia da Luz in 10 minutes?  Tardis?

[icabodcrane]

So lets see, call commences at 10.41pm.

Add a few minutes for the call itself.

Add another few minutes to get to the radio.

Call the officers on the radio.

Mobile unit finishes up what they were already doing.

What time is that now?   10.51pm or later?

So tell me, how did they get from Odiáxere to Praia da Luz in 10 minutes?  Tardis?


Remind me, what time was the second call from Reception recorded?

 

10 minutes for  an emergency call to be relayed to the nearest police car  ?

pfft   

Why are you so determined to malign the police on this John ...  when you have no evidence to support your accusations ? 

[John]

So according to the Ocean Club telephone records the first call made from their main line at reception was made at 10.41pm with a second call made at 10.52pm with the caller being on the phone for about a minute each time.

The Club Manager, John Hill, was contacted as a priority early on.  If he instructed his staff to call the police almost immediately why did it not happen until 10.41?

[icabodcrane]

So according to the Ocean Club telephone records the first call made from their main line at reception was made at 10.41pm with a second call made at 10.52pm with the caller being on the phone for about a minute each time.

The Club Manager, John Hill, was contacted as a priority early on.  If he instructed his staff to call the police almost immediately why did it not happen until 10.41?

That's a fair question

...  because, for whatever reason,  it did  not  happen until 10.41pm

[registrar]

redblossom

have you ever been to Praia da Luz?

[icabodcrane]

Please don't hijack this thread with your late night bickering

John, I,  and others are having a serious and civilized debate here

thanks

[Redblossom]

Please don't hijack this thread with your late night bickering

John, I,  and others are having a serious and civilized debate here

thanks

Removed *bickering replies* And original that prompted them, goodnight

[John]

Just out of interest here is the route which the GNR police first responders had to make to get to the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, a distance of about 14 Km.

[icabodcrane]

How long would you estimate that journey to take John,  at that time of night,  in a police car  ?

[John]

Thanks for the debate guys, there are a few unanswered questions still on this issue of the phone calls but one thing is very clear and that is that the abduction was assisted by the delay in getting the police to the scene of the crime.

The phone records also reveal that no other calls were made from Ocean Club after 10pm, not even one to John Hill.

The only possible scenarios for what occurred are...

I.  The McCann's didn't request police assistance as soon as the cursory search was completed.

II.  The McCann's or Matthew asked the receptionist to phone the police at around 10.15pm, alas he didn't do so but waited for the manager to arrive.

III. Someone phoned the police using a mobile phone after 10.15pm which was followed by the two other calls from reception but the police were delayed due to being tied up with another call.

[AnneGuedes]

Just out of interest here is the route which the GNR police first responders had to make to get to the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, a distance of about 14 Km.

John, the GNR guys were in the Odiaxere area when they received the first call and in the Vila Valverde area when they received the second one, ten minutes later.
I've seen nowhere that John Hill instructed the receptionist to call the police. Actually I think that if he had thought the police had to be called immediately he would have called himself on his cell phone. Likely the receptionist finally called because MO insisted. Receptionists aren't supposed to call the police before alerting the manager (imo).

[John]

According to the hotel manager, Emma Knight, resort manager John Hill telephoned the police or at least he instructed the receptionist to do so as he didn't speak much Portuguese.

"The hotel manager, John Hill arrived at the location from which the searches were being organised and I can confirm that he called the police."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

[John]

So there we have it, all that lost time from 10pm to 10.41pm while the abductors were making their escape.  GNR police arrive at 11pm but it is after midnight before the PJ put out a full alert.

By then any would-be abductors could have been over 160 miles away quite easily.  Remember too that the Spanish border was only 80 miles or 80 minutes away.

It is ironic too but if the abductors aimed for the border they could have used the very road the police would have come down just over an hour later.

The abductors planned their escape well, they picked the moment of least resistance.  Most of the Ocean Club senior staff were off duty, a minimal police presence in the area, the cover of darkness and light traffic.

[AnneGuedes]

According to the hotel manager, Emma Knight, resort manager John Hill telephoned the police or at least he instructed the receptionist to do so as he didn't speak much Portuguese.

"The hotel manager, John Hill arrived at the location from which the searches were being organised and I can confirm that he called the police."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

John Hill says he was informed at 10:28 by the head of child care service, Mrs Lindsay. He  then went to the resort and saw a lot of people "searching the grounds". Then "the deponent went to the main reception to see if the authorities had been alerted". And most likely they had been because all he describes had to take more than 10 minutes.