At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?

[Miss Taken Identity]

Whar ARE YOU going on about Mistaken?

Oh just breaking down a story about how a woman claims to have known instantly her daughter was abducted but didn't act like it.
1. because she was looking for her in the flat?
2. she ran out of the apartment to get help?
3 she did not phone the police or ask anyone who spoke portugese to phone the police as soon as she KNEW, whch was instantly...apparently.

Better?

[Eleanor]

Oh just breaking down a story about how a woman claims to have known instantly her daughter was abducted but didn't act like it.
1. because she was looking for her in the flat?
2. she ran out of the apartment to get help?
3 she did not phone the police or ask anyone who spoke portugese to phone the police as soon as she KNEW, whch was instantly...apparently.

Better?

What?  In the max five minutes before she ran for help.  During which she hoped she was wrong.

Who do you think she is, Speedy Goncalo?

[Miss Taken Identity]

What?  In the max five minutes before she ran for help.  During which she hoped she was wrong.

Who do you think she is, Speedy Goncalo?

 *&*%£
I love your wit!

well she did say it took her only a few seconds to leave the room and reach the Tapas. I think 19 seconds was mentioned but hey I am not an olympic track ref.

The fact is...she could have run into the tapas bar shouted blah blah and scream someone call the police Maddie has been abducted....but she didn't. because she was UNSURE, which is quite the opposite of KNEW INSTANTLY-jemmied shutters-open window-blowing whoosing curtains..being cited as her reason for knowing.

[G-Unit]

*&*%£
I love your wit!

well she did say it took her only a few seconds to leave the room and reach the Tapas. I think 19 seconds was mentioned but hey I am not an olympic track ref.

The fact is...she could have run into the tapas bar shouted blah blah and scream someone call the police Maddie has been abducted....but she didn't. because she was UNSURE, which is quite the opposite of KNEW INSTANTLY-jemmied shutters-open window-blowing whoosing curtains..being cited as her reason for knowing.

Looking at the bed, my first question might have been 'Did we really put her in that bed?' It didn't look like anyone had been in it, unlike the bed under the window.

[sadie]

Thank you for the information so search papers handed out after 10:20. I knew Balu/Berry didn't meet Gerry until much later than 10pm. That is Sadie's alibi for Gerry but it's not. Nobody knows where he was after he told them to split up and search! We will find out where he was and at what time if this case is solved.

FGS, Pfinder, why are you twisting the facts?

What have search papers handed out at 10.20 got to do with the time that Gerry talked with Raj Balu and Neil Berry?

If I hadn't just read I would not have believed that anyone could have tried such a deception.  Unless you are so naive ... but this "naivity" is all the time  !

[pathfinder73]

FGS, Pfinder, why are you twisting the facts?

What have search papers handed out at 10.20 got to do with the time that Gerry talked with Raj Balu and Neil Berry?

If I hadn't just read I would not have believed that anyone could have tried such a deception.  Unless you are so naive ... but this "naivity" is all the time  !

The men and Fiona had first split up to search before Balu/Berry knew about the missing child. The Smithman sighting happened when only the men and Fiona were first out searching. They went down as far as Baptista supermarket in those initial searches before they reconvened (not Gerry) so Fiona sent Matt to call the police at 10:05-10:10.

[Brietta]

FGS, Pfinder, why are you twisting the facts?

What have search papers handed out at 10.20 got to do with the time that Gerry talked with Raj Balu and Neil Berry?

If I hadn't just read I would not have believed that anyone could have tried such a deception.  Unless you are so naive ... but this "naivity" is all the time  !

Quote from: G-Unit on July 26, 2015, 07:37:30 AM

Interesting. No mention of hearing Gerry calling in Balu's rogatory.
I would who the people conversing were, and what was interesting about the 'paper'.


After 22:00 we were still sitting on  the veranda in the Berry apartment.
We heard noises downstairs and afterwards found out that a child had disappeared.
My testimony dated 6th of May 2007 related the details of the conversation we overheard and the information regarding the paper that Neil and I used in the searches.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RAJ_BALU.htm
end Quote




The inventiveness of those who wish to hang on in there and keep the myth going that Dr Gerald McCann was the man identified by Martin Smith ... bearing in mind Martin Smith no longer thinks so ... and Mr McCluskey whose description was mirrored word for word by Mr Smith was certainly wrong ... is truly remarkable.

I think there are interesting points to take from PJ/RAJ_BALU.htm but they are not the absolutely arbitrary timing of when they may have retrieved a paper containing the MW search procedures ... even if that is what they were discussing and that certainly is not made clear ... and the ridiculous attempt to use it to "time" Dr McCann's whereabouts.

Ten out of ten for inventiveness there ... minus ten for "interpretation".

Of interest as well is the fact the original statements are missing from the files and the ones we are using were taken a year after the event when some information may not have been remembered well.

Shining has summed it up quite well on her blog ... but whatever ... she certainly makes it all a lot more interesting than constant myopic attempts to set in tablets of stone another ridiculous theory, disowned by its author and disregarded by the investigation.

Enjoy some background reading here ... 
https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2015/02/03/textusa-v-neil-berry-and-raj-balu-continued/

[G-Unit]

Quote from: G-Unit on July 26, 2015, 07:37:30 AM

Interesting. No mention of hearing Gerry calling in Balu's rogatory.
I would who the people conversing were, and what was interesting about the 'paper'.


After 22:00 we were still sitting on  the veranda in the Berry apartment.
We heard noises downstairs and afterwards found out that a child had disappeared.
My testimony dated 6th of May 2007 related the details of the conversation we overheard and the information regarding the paper that Neil and I used in the searches.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RAJ_BALU.htm
end Quote




The inventiveness of those who wish to hang on in there and keep the myth going that Dr Gerald McCann was the man identified by Martin Smith ... bearing in mind Martin Smith no longer thinks so ... and Mr McCluskey whose description was mirrored word for word by Mr Smith was certainly wrong ... is truly remarkable.

I think there are interesting points to take from PJ/RAJ_BALU.htm but they are not the absolutely arbitrary timing of when they may have retrieved a paper containing the MW search procedures ... even if that is what they were discussing and that certainly is not made clear ... and the ridiculous attempt to use it to "time" Dr McCann's whereabouts.

Ten out of ten for inventiveness there ... minus ten for "interpretation".

Of interest as well is the fact the original statements are missing from the files and the ones we are using were taken a year after the event when some information may not have been remembered well.

Shining has summed it up quite well on her blog ... but whatever ... she certainly makes it all a lot more interesting than constant myopic attempts to set in tablets of stone another ridiculous theory, disowned by its author and disregarded by the investigation.

Enjoy some background reading here ... 
https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2015/02/03/textusa-v-neil-berry-and-raj-balu-continued/

I don't understand what Shining's blog has to do with this, she doesn't discuss times after the alarm was given. Likewise Smith and McClusky. I was posting to P'finder about the likely time when Berry and Balu began to search. They used a 'paper'. If it was issued as part of the Missing Child process then they searched after 10.20pm. I have no idea what time they discovered that a child was missing except it was 'after 10pm'.

[Miss Taken Identity]

My other  main concern is:  We do not have an actual time of Maddies dissapearance.  Last independent witness is early on that day! Ok let's say from 7 onwards. No physical checking at all. Just 'listening'.

[sadie]

I don't understand what Shining's blog has to do with this, she doesn't discuss times after the alarm was given. Likewise Smith and McClusky. I was posting to P'finder about the likely time when Berry and Balu began to search. They used a 'paper'. If it was issued as part of the Missing Child process then they searched after 10.20pm. I have no idea what time they discovered that a child was missing except it was 'after 10pm'.

You say they had a paper.  I can neither confirm nor dispute that.

But one thing that I do know is that they could have been searching a while before they were given any paper that might have existed.


Having a paper proves NOTHING, ZILCH, NADA

[stephen25000]

You say they had a paper.  I can neither confirm nor dispute that.

But one thing that I do know is that they could have been searching a while before they were given any paper that might have existed.


Having a paper proves NOTHING, ZILCH, NADA

Having pointers proves nothing.

[sadie]

Having pointers proves nothing.

Not to you, cos you dont know what they are


But seems they revealed something to SY



Nigh night stephen.

Sleep well

[G-Unit]

You say they had a paper.  I can neither confirm nor dispute that.

But one thing that I do know is that they could have been searching a while before they were given any paper that might have existed.


Having a paper proves NOTHING, ZILCH, NADA

i never said it did. Neither does the fact that they heard Gerald calling Madeleine, because we can't put a time on that either.

[Eleanor]

Topic Please.  Or Else.

[Miss Taken Identity]

i never said it did. Neither does the fact that they heard Gerald calling Madeleine, because we can't put a time on that either.

They never did get a 'timeline' conversation- nothing they said matched up. The only accurate time we have is the police record.

It was not beyond the capabilities of 'intelligent doctors' very smart people' 'well educated' to shout "does anyone here in the tapas" speak portugues? could they phone the police...

ok argue out that one?