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Offline sadie

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #450 on: July 30, 2015, 10:17:37 AM »

They never did get a 'timeline' conversation- nothing they said matched up. The only accurate time we have is the police record.

It was not beyond the capabilities of 'intelligent doctors' very smart people' 'well educated' to shout "does anyone here in the tapas" speak portugues? could they phone the police...

ok argue out that one?
They would be so destraught, rather like headless chickens.

They would not need to phone the Police because they believed that the receptionist (who Matt had rushed to) had called the police within about 10 minutes of realising that Madeleine had gone missing. 


In their minds, the Police would be arriving any minute, as in the UK generally.

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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #451 on: July 30, 2015, 10:23:38 AM »
They would be so destraught, rather like headless chickens.

They would not need to phone the Police because they believed that the receptionist (who Matt had rushed to) had called the police within about 10 minutes of realising that Madeleine had gone missing. 


In their minds, the Police would be arriving any minute, as in the UK generally.
No sadie.

The first call to the police is well documented and it wasn't 10.10 pm.

Offline Brietta

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #452 on: July 30, 2015, 10:45:55 AM »
No sadie.

The first call to the police is well documented and it wasn't 10.10 pm.

 ... and if the police had been called when people believed they had been called ... and not after the MW manager had been alerted as actually happened ... what do you think they (the police) would have done differently.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #453 on: July 30, 2015, 10:50:32 AM »
No sadie.

The first call to the police is well documented and it wasn't 10.10 pm.
That was the Receptionist and The Polices fault.

As far as the Tapas group were concerned, the Police had been called.

stephen25000

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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #454 on: July 30, 2015, 10:53:16 AM »
That was the Receptionist and The Polices fault.

As far as the Tapas group were concerned, the Police had been called.

Is there absolute proof of that ?

and if so where ?

As it stands the recorded time is 10.40 pm.

Offline Eleanor

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #455 on: July 30, 2015, 11:01:02 AM »
Is there absolute proof of that ?

and if so where ?

As it stands the recorded time is 10.40 pm.

No one seriously believes that The McCanns didn't want The Police to be called, do they?

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #456 on: July 30, 2015, 11:06:26 AM »
No one seriously believes that The McCanns didn't want The Police to be called, do they?

No, I don't believe they didn't want to call the police, but I don't believe they wanted them called right away until they got a story together to explain how that could happen if they were with the children. I explained reasons for them not wanting to, but having to, hence the time delay. Just my opinion. It is also my reason for not believing in the jemmied shutters and whooshing curtains and sitting in the garden baloney. They were on the defence immediately.
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Offline Benice

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #457 on: July 30, 2015, 11:31:26 AM »
No, I don't believe they didn't want to call the police, but I don't believe they wanted them called right away until they got a story together to explain how that could happen if they were with the children. I explained reasons for them not wanting to, but having to, hence the time delay. Just my opinion. It is also my reason for not believing in the jemmied shutters and whooshing curtains and sitting in the garden baloney. They were on the defence immediately.

Surely if this was all pre-planned, they would have got their 'story together' before they even raised the alarm, never mind before they called the police.  Once the alarm was raised they had no way of knowing in advance whether someone else - apart from themselves - would immediately call the police.

If the McCanns knew there was no evidence that the shutters/window had been damaged/broken into and it was all a big lie - no-one has explained why they would then be so stupid as to claim that there was,  knowing that as soon as the shutters/windows were examined it would be revealed that they lied.?     That makes no sense whatsoever. IMO

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pathfinder73

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #458 on: July 30, 2015, 11:45:59 AM »
Surely if this was all pre-planned, they would have got their 'story together' before they even raised the alarm, never mind before they called the police.  Once the alarm was raised they had no way of knowing in advance whether someone else - apart from themselves - would immediately call the police.

If the McCanns knew there was no evidence that the shutters/window had been damaged/broken into and it was all a big lie - no-one has explained why they would then be so stupid as to claim that there was,  knowing that as soon as the shutters/windows were examined it would be revealed that they lied.?     That makes no sense whatsoever. IMO

Who is they? And who saw the window open?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline G-Unit

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #459 on: July 30, 2015, 12:00:38 PM »
That was the Receptionist and The Polices fault.

As far as the Tapas group were concerned, the Police had been called.

The receptionist doesn't mention seeing Matthew Oldfield, so we don't know if he did or not. If he did see him he didn't take him seriously, which must be partly Matthews fault for not being clear or forceful enough. How can the police be blamed for not responding to a call they never received? I know some think everything is their fault, but really!

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Offline Anna

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #460 on: July 30, 2015, 12:31:32 PM »
The receptionist doesn't mention seeing Matthew Oldfield, so we don't know if he did or not. If he did see him he didn't take him seriously, which must be partly Matthews fault for not being clear or forceful enough. How can the police be blamed for not responding to a call they never received? I know some think everything is their fault, but really!

This poor chap who must have been in quite a state of anxiety,  didn’t remember the police telling him about a burglary holding them up on his first call(which he told Santos about).
He got all his times wrong except  for  what time Hill arrived in reception and what time he left to go home (24hrs) . All other times were too early by  30-50minutes( as was Santos’ times) in their statements.
I wonder why?

Santos
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic9-10.html
Helder
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post193.html#p193
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Offline G-Unit

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #461 on: July 30, 2015, 12:47:59 PM »
This poor chap who must have been in quite a state of anxiety,  didn’t remember the police telling him about a burglary holding them up on his first call(which he told Santos about).
He got all his times wrong except  for  what time Hill arrived in reception and what time he left to go home (24hrs) . All other times were too early by  30-50minutes( as was Santos’ times) in their statements.
I wonder why?

Santos
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic9-10.html
Helder
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post193.html#p193

I think he ignored requests to call the police because he thought the child would be found. He responded only to John Hill because he had the authority. When he realised that he had possibly messed up he tried to cover his tracks. There is no record of him calling Santos, so he may have been trying to help him out (as his boss). That's just my guess of what may have happened, obviously. There's a wide spread of times with mostly Tapas employees giving earlier times than the T9. We don't know who got it wrong.
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Offline Anna

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #462 on: July 30, 2015, 01:24:52 PM »
I think he ignored requests to call the police because he thought the child would be found. He responded only to John Hill because he had the authority. When he realised that he had possibly messed up he tried to cover his tracks. There is no record of him calling Santos, so he may have been trying to help him out (as his boss). That's just my guess of what may have happened, obviously. There's a wide spread of times with mostly Tapas employees giving earlier times than the T9. We don't know who got it wrong.

Thanks G
I agree there seemed to be a covering of tracks somewhere along the way. We do know however that Santos could not have got his times correct

With regard to the date of the disappearance on 3rd May 2007, he remembers that at 22.00/22.15 received a phone call from receptionist (2) who said that John Hill was agitated

When he arrived at the scene about 10 to 15 minutes later, he immediately went to the reception where the GNR were present, taking a statement from the girl’s father.

 Santos  must have been called after 10.25 by Helder, if J Hill was agitated and he  had to have arrived after 11pm  if the GNR were there, so this timing is way out, by about 30 minutes at least and more if the GNR had been phoned at 10.41, before Santos was called


If the police were phoned immediately after the call from the waiter. The waiter's request must have been close to 10.30-10.40, but I suspect as you have already said, that Helder was awaiting instructions fro JH.

What a muddle of times and why wasn't the receptionist questioned about the request for him to phone the police by Matt? All very strange indeed.
 
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Offline G-Unit

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #463 on: July 30, 2015, 02:35:19 PM »
Thanks G
I agree there seemed to be a covering of tracks somewhere along the way. We do know however that Santos could not have got his times correct

With regard to the date of the disappearance on 3rd May 2007, he remembers that at 22.00/22.15 received a phone call from receptionist (2) who said that John Hill was agitated

When he arrived at the scene about 10 to 15 minutes later, he immediately went to the reception where the GNR were present, taking a statement from the girl’s father.

 Santos  must have been called after 10.25 by Helder, if J Hill was agitated and he  had to have arrived after 11pm  if the GNR were there, so this timing is way out, by about 30 minutes at least and more if the GNR had been phoned at 10.41, before Santos was called


If the police were phoned immediately after the call from the waiter. The waiter's request must have been close to 10.30-10.40, but I suspect as you have already said, that Helder was awaiting instructions fro JH.

What a muddle of times and why wasn't the receptionist questioned about the request for him to phone the police by Matt? All very strange indeed.

At the beginning the PJ collected lots of statements, but they didn't seem to have examined them very closely. If had done that they could have gone back and tried to discover why and how the various inconsistences arose. Whether it was incompetence, shortage of manpower or pressure of work we don't know, but there seem to be questions which were never asked.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #464 on: July 30, 2015, 03:47:05 PM »
At the beginning the PJ collected lots of statements, but they didn't seem to have examined them very closely. If had done that they could have gone back and tried to discover why and how the various inconsistences arose. Whether it was incompetence, shortage of manpower or pressure of work we don't know, but there seem to be questions which were never asked.
In this investigation they produced vast reams of statements, on a scale they appear to have never encountered before.

The statements are all on paper i.e. non-computerised.  We armchair detectives have had years to collate them.  The PJ did not.

And whilst the thread title and number of responses says this forum's members have noted discrepancies in the statements re call times, why would the PJ have this high on their priorities?

They had the call logs showing the phone times, plus the police statements as to when the police arrived.  The main issue was probably fending off allegations that they were slow to respond.
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