At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?

[Redblossom]

Apparently you haven't bothered to read all the statements then Redblossom.  You really have to start looking at all the evidence.

Nobody has answered my question yet.  Your child is abducted in a foreign holiday resort, do you wait 40 minutes before phoning the police?

Maybe nobody wanted to trouble the poor dears.

Of course I havent read  every page of the files, who has? Very few I guess. Thats the whole point of this issue, did the Mccanns call police immediately or was there a delay. And if so why was there one. So once I read your evidence I guess I will be educated.

[icabodcrane]

The evidence of what occurred with respect to phoning the police that night is all in the statements.

Just before I dig them all out and put a time-line together does anyone want to retract their comments?  I would be interested to know who really believes that a nearly 4-year-old child goes missing from her bedroom in a foreign holiday apartment at 10pm and no-one bothers their ar.. to telephone the police until 10.41pm.   Are you for real?

Before you  'dig out'  witness statements,  be aware that they cannot be deemed as  reliable as  documented factual information in the form of the recorded phone records

[amaraltheofficeboy]

Apparently you haven't bothered to read all the statements then Redblossom.  You really have to start looking at all the evidence.

Nobody has answered my question yet.  Your child is abducted in a foreign holiday resort, do you wait 40 minutes before phoning the police?

Maybe nobody wanted to trouble the poor dears.

you may look for 40 minutes first and when all possibilities have gone, you phone the police.

[Redblossom]

The evidence of what occurred with respect to phoning the police that night is all in the statements.

Just before I dig them all out and put a time-line together does anyone want to retract their comments?  I would be interested to know who really believes that a nearly 4-year-old child goes missing from her bedroom in a foreign holiday apartment at 10pm and no-one bothers their ar.. to telephone the police until 10.41pm.   Are you for real?

Before you  'dig out'  witness statements,  be aware that they cannot be deemed as  reliable as  documented factual information in the form of the recorded phone records

Quite, as the one touted by ferryman today, that the receptionist called police straight away about a missing child when informed between 9.30 and 10.00, like the mccanns raised the alarm between 9.30 and 10.00 LOL

[amaraltheofficeboy]

The evidence of what occurred with respect to phoning the police that night is all in the statements.

Just before I dig them all out and put a time-line together does anyone want to retract their comments?  I would be interested to know who really believes that a nearly 4-year-old child goes missing from her bedroom in a foreign holiday apartment at 10pm and no-one bothers their ar.. to telephone the police until 10.41pm.   Are you for real?

Before you  'dig out'  witness statements,  be aware that they cannot be deemed as  reliable as  documented factual information in the form of the recorded phone records

just phone statements or any statements?

[icabodcrane]

The evidence of what occurred with respect to phoning the police that night is all in the statements.

Just before I dig them all out and put a time-line together does anyone want to retract their comments?  I would be interested to know who really believes that a nearly 4-year-old child goes missing from her bedroom in a foreign holiday apartment at 10pm and no-one bothers their ar.. to telephone the police until 10.41pm.   Are you for real?

Before you  'dig out'  witness statements,  be aware that they cannot be deemed as  reliable as  documented factual information in the form of the recorded phone records

just phone statements or any statements?

John can produce as many witnesses as he likes who say the police were phoned from reception before 10.41pm  ...   the fact is though,  if they  had,   then the calls would have shown up on the recorded telephone data

The only phone calls made from the Ocean Club reception to the police that night were at 10.41pm and 10.52pm

...  and that is a  'hard evidence' supported fact

[Redblossom]

look forward  to reading proof about police being called very early on that night and also by people in the uk, people in the uk ringing the gnr/pj? When? was it philomena maccann who said the gnr took HOURS to arrive? When it was ten or fifteen minutes? How did she know how long they were, obviously someone LIED to her, for some reason
 


nite nite dont let the bed bugs bite


Philomena McCann: "It was hours before the local police turned up and we're talking two bobbies that totally downplayed the incident and said that Maddie had maybe just wandered off, and that... but what 3-year-old would wander off for hours on their own? It took the CID 5 hours before they responded to come and even then it was, kind of, shrug of the shoulders. There's been no feedback from the Portuguese police to Gerry. The stress levels have been through the roof because of this, it's just been shocking."

[John]

Ever hear of a mobile telehone?

Helder Jorge Samaio Luis

Occupation: Receptionist Ocean Club

Has worked at the Ocean Club for almost a year and a half and works as a Receptionist at the main Ocean Club Reception. He doesn't work fixed hours but he always works on the 16.00 to 34.00 shift.

All his work takes place at the main reception.

He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.

That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child's father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

He then contacted the head of reception Vítor Santos and informed him of the situation.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

[Redblossom]

That time frame is impossible John, should be in room 101 like yesterday

catch up tomorrow

[icabodcrane]

Ever hear of a mobile telehone?

Helder Jorge Samaio Luis

Occupation: Receptionist Ocean Club

Has worked at the Ocean Club for almost a year and a half and works as a Receptionist at the main Ocean Club Reception. He doesn't work fixed hours but he always works on the 16.00 to 34.00 shift.

All his work takes place at the main reception.

He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.

That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child's father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

He then contacted the head of reception Vítor Santos and informed him of the situation.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

You are presuming that the receptionist used his  mobile  to phone the police, rather than the Ocean  Club reception phone in front of him, as a way of excusing why the call did not show up on phone records  ?

That really is straw grasping John !

By the way, you do realise that if you are taking this witness's  word as gospel, that you must accept that  Gerry McCann was not at  the Tapas bar when Mr Smith made his sighting ?   

[John]

Head of the Baby Club and Mini Club Amy Tierney confirmed that the girl's father went to the reception to call the police as soon as her disappearance was noticed and that twenty minutes had passed. The GNR took 30 to35 minutes to arrive.

That would place the call to the police around 10.30pm.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

[John]

Manager Emma Louise Knight stated that at about 22.17 she received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing her that the girl had gone missing. I met Lyndsey and the Service Manager, Amy Tierney, near to the Tapas Bar and we initiated the 'Mark Warner procedures for the search of a missing child'.  She adds that the hotel manager, John Hill arrived at the location from which the searches were being organised and I can confirm that he called the police.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

[amaraltheofficeboy]

Just as a casual aside - is it important?

The only relevance is because luz said they cleaned the apartment before the GNR arrived.

It will be Monday before she confirms that
 

[icabodcrane]

Head of the Baby Club and Mini Club Amy Tierney confirmed that the girl's father went to the reception to call the police as soon as her disappearance was noticed and that twenty minutes had passed. The GNR took 30 to35 minutes to arrive.

That would place the call to the police around 10.30pm.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

Hearsay  ...  of no evidential value at all

[ferryman]

Manager Emma Louise Knight stated that at about 22.17 she received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing her that the girl had gone missing.

So we have a fairly accurate, documented, record putting Kate's alert at least close to 2200 ...