Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.

[ferryman]

Robert Murat was never a suspect until a certain member of the tapas-7 stated they had seem him lurking around the McCann's apartment on the night that Madeleine disappeared.  Robert did much to help the McCanns and that was how he got his thanks.  Disgraceful!

That is a misrepresentation.

The question that arose was simply whether Murat was out and about on the night; plenty insisted he was (as he was fully and legally entitled to be) but he insisted he spent the evening with his mother.

Complicating that issue is that several dead-ringer look-alikes for Murat were out and about that night, including David Payne.

Mistaken identity?  Who knows.

I never did figure the point of this 'confrontation'.

At least before Lora Campbell, no one suggested any link between Murat and Madeleine.

[pinkblossoms]

Is that not  the case with the McCanns as well - its only their opinion ?

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[slartibartfast]

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Well they didn't see or hear anything?

[ferryman]

Lori's comments came later.  It was a member of the tapas-7 who first identified Murat as having been around the apartment.  They were the first interviewed by police on 4 May.   Lori only added fuel to the fire by making the silly comments she did.

The first hint of any suggestion of a link with Madeleine came from Lori Campbel. 

Before that, it was a simple question of whether Murat spent the evening with is mother or whether he didn't.

[pinkblossoms]

Lori's comments came later.  It was a member of the tapas-7 who first identified Murat as having been around the apartment.  They were the first interviewed by police on 4 May.   Lori only added fuel to the fire by making the silly comments she did.

can you verify that it was a member of the tapas who first identified murat,and not lori Campbell  >@@(*&)

[Eleanor]

That is a misrepresentation.

The question that arose was simply whether Murat was out and about on the night; plenty insisted he was (as he was fully and legally entitled to be) but he insisted he spent the evening with his mother.

Complicating that issue is that several dead-ringer look-alikes for Murat were out and about that night, including David Payne.

Mistaken identity?  Who knows.

I never did figure the point of this 'confrontation'.

At least before Lora Campbell, no one suggested any link between Murat and Madeleine.

This is a fact.  This accusation did not first come from The Tapas Seven.  But it was never important in so far as I could see.
So, perhaps he was there.  What is that supposed to mean?  He knew The PJ better than we ever will.

However, I thought that the abductor was heading for the hills or the beach at the time.  So it can't have been him.

[Benice]

Robert Murat was never a suspect until a certain member of the tapas-7 stated they had seem him lurking around the McCann's apartment on the night that Madeleine disappeared.  Robert did much to help the McCanns and that was how he got his thanks.  Disgraceful!

Are you sure John?    IIRC None of the Tapas 7 had any any prior knowledge that Murat was going to picked up by the police and made an arguido.   It was only AFTER he was made an Arguido and they saw his picture on TV that they recognised him as a man they saw on the night of the 3rd and relayed that info to a UK policeman. (And they were not the only ones to make that claim either). 

Wasn't it  newspaper reporters who first became suspicious of him and contacted the Leicester police - and set the ball rolling?

[stephen25000]

Are you sure John?    IIRC None of the Tapas 7 had any any prior knowledge that Murat was going to picked up by the police and made an arguido.   It was only AFTER he was made an Arguido and they saw his picture on TV that they recognised him as a man they saw on the night of the 3rd and relayed that info to a UK policeman. (And they were not the only ones to make that claim either). 

Wasn't it  newspaper reporters who first became suspicious of him and contacted the Leicester police - and set the ball rolling?

Ah yes, the infamous Lori Campell, who has backed the Mccanns to the hilt.

[pinkblossoms]

Are you sure John?    IIRC None of the Tapas 7 had any any prior knowledge that Murat was going to picked up by the police and made an arguido.   It was only AFTER he was made an Arguido and they saw his picture on TV that they recognised him as a man they saw on the night of the 3rd and relayed that info to a UK policeman. (And they were not the only ones to make that claim either). 

Wasn't it  newspaper reporters who first became suspicious of him and contacted the Leicester police - and set the ball rolling?

yes both lori campbell and ian woods were suspicious of murat,because of his weird behaviour long before any tapas even knew who he was

[VIXTE]

Lori's comments came later.  It was a member of the tapas-7 who first identified Murat as having been around the apartment.  They were the first interviewed by police on 4 May.   Lori only added fuel to the fire by making the silly comments she did.

Well. I remember that day on the SKY News very well.. when the Murat story broke up.. I was next to the TV the whole day..

What I also remember is that when the Murats photo was first time published in the media, it wasn't his photo at all.
That was the photo of that journalist from the Portugal News.. the Brit living in PDL..I cannot remember his name..
But the journo was interviewed on SKY news and he confirmed it was his photo that was published in the media,  mixed up with Murats and the journo was talking how weird feeling that was..

Now.. I also always thought that it was him, the journalist, who was there that night during the search and he was perhaps being mixed up with Murat..so everyone was right.. they saw the guy that night, but that wasn't Murat but the journalist guy.

That is my six pence ;))

[Benice]

Well let's have a look at what Russell O'Brien had to say about Mr Murat's involvement bearing in mind that Lori Campbell's didn't phone Leicestershire Police until 6 May.

Comments- I am troubled by MURAT’S denial of being there on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance and assisting in the translations.  This has troubled me he would have an alibi had he have been honest about being there. The statement given in Portugal are true and accurate, other people put MURAT there on the night one of those being Sylvia head of house keeping. I would like to point out that I do not wish to change the statement given to the PJ but have reservations that the time may have been inaccurate and it may have been the following morning when I saw him.

I’ve written about, erm, Robert MURAT and then there’s a whole, my whole third statement is, is solely about our meetings, erm, so there, there is a vast amount of information that, that isn’t there, but obviously in my third statement is, is a sort of testimony for that.  I think what I’ve written here really is that, erm, we gave that statement, erm, within a few days of him being made aguido, certainly before, erm, any details of, of his movements, according to his statement, had been, had been leaked or had come out into the open.  Erm, we certainly, the three, you know, the three of us, all immediately thought, when we saw him on the television, that we recognised him and that he was there on the night and the statements that were given were given relatively soon after the event and at the time I had absolutely no doubt that that was, that those were accurate.  The reason I brought this back up here is because I cannot see what he stood to gain by not, by not being, well by saying he wasn’t there on the night when there was the potential for so many people to have seen him.  Erm, and it’s been a bit difficult, kind of, erm, you know, he was trying to knock a square peg into a round hole here, because I certainly had a great deal of faith in what I said at the time, you know, there was no, I didn’t have any doubts, was it the evening, sorry, was it the night, was it the next morning, but with him denying it, with no further evidence coming out, with no questions in here whatsoever that kind of led, that would, that sort of said, you know, ‘What about Robert MURAT’, I can only speculate that there’s, that there is no further evidence, erm, that kind will push, will push the case further on him.  Erm, and then I also got the information from the likes of Charlotte PENNINGTON and, and, erm, at least earlier on, Sylvia, erm, well sort of the Housekeeper, and Press reports saying that other people also placed him there on the night, that kind of made me think, well this is, that I, you know, that I am correct”.
 

www.mccannfiles.com/id221.html

In red above - is where he says it was AFTER RM was made an arguido and they saw his piccie on TV that they contacted the police to say they remembered seeing him on the 3rd May and later made statements to that effect.

It's seems pretty clear to me that until then they had no idea he was being investigated and that they played no part at all in his initial 'arrest' - which IIRC was a couple of weeks after Madeleine disappeared.


 

[John]

In red above - is where he says it was AFTER RM was made an arguido and they saw his piccie on TV that they contacted the police to say they remembered seeing him on the 3rd May and later made statements to that effect.

It's seems pretty clear to me that until then they had no idea he was being investigated and that they played no part at all in his initial 'arrest' - which IIRC was a couple of weeks after Madeleine disappeared.

Robert Murat was made an arguido on 15 May 2007 which was the very day Rachael made her statement about him.  Russell and Fiona both made similar statements the following day.

[colombosstogey]

Well. I remember that day on the SKY News very well.. when the Murat story broke up.. I was next to the TV the whole day..

What I also remember is that when the Murats photo was first time published in the media, it wasn't his photo at all.
That was the photo of that journalist from the Portugal News.. the Brit living in PDL..I cannot remember his name..
But the journo was interviewed on SKY news and he confirmed it was his photo that was published in the media,  mixed up with Murats and the journo was talking how weird feeling that was..

Now.. I also always thought that it was him, the journalist, who was there that night during the search and he was perhaps being mixed up with Murat..so everyone was right.. they saw the guy that night, but that wasn't Murat but the journalist guy.

That is my six pence ;))

Your probably right.

Also who is who?

[Benice]

Robert Murat was made an arguido on 15 May 2007 which was the very day Rachael made her statement about him.  Russell and Fiona both made similar statements the following day.

I would query whether the date of Rachael's statement is correct. 

However -  do you now agree that from all their statements it's clear that it was not until AFTER they saw RM on TV that they recognised him as someone they'd seen on the night of the 3rd and were subsequently interviewed about that  -and therefore they were not responsible for his being made an Arguido - which is what you originally claimed? 

[stephen25000]

Your probably right.

Also who is who?

Indeed, a very strong resemblance between the two, as has been said on many occasions,

So Ms. Lori Campbell, if you are reading.