Author Topic: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.  (Read 64850 times)

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Offline Eleanor

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #75 on: January 07, 2014, 01:43:29 PM »
And it would be the same in any country in the world, Eleanor.

I dread to think what US police would have done in this case.

Me too, Lyall.  But I truly cannot see the UK Police making such a cock up on this one.  Believe me, I would have been among the first to kick in if they had.

But just look at what the US Police had to with The Lisa Irwin disappearance.  Strange people running about all over the place, and still they tried to nail the parents.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #76 on: January 07, 2014, 01:50:24 PM »
There are absolutely no grounds for the McCanns or Murat to sue the Portuguese authorities (including the PJ).  During the investigation, they were declared "arguidos" which gives certain rights under Portuguese law - representation, right to refuse to answer questions etc. 

It is a fairly routine procedure - (although of course in some of the more intellectually challenged quarters, the McCanns being made "arguidos" was equated with "convicted").

Making these three people Arguidos on nothing much at all was a bad move.  Hasty, I do believe, was said, by another PJ Officer.
After that, it was a complete waste of time even questioning any of them as they all had a Right to Silence.

No one in their right mind risks giving any information that can later be twisted.

Lyall

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Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #77 on: January 07, 2014, 01:52:27 PM »
Me too, Lyall.  But I truly cannot see the UK Police making such a cock up on this one.  Believe me, I would have been among the first to kick in if they had.

But just look at what the US Police had to with The Lisa Irwin disappearance.  Strange people running about all over the place, and still they tried to nail the parents.

I don't know that case. But have you read the book by Kevin Wells? The police considered the family to be suspects. As police do in all countries of course, only in Portugal it was three months before they did anything about it.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #78 on: January 07, 2014, 02:32:04 PM »
I don't know that case. But have you read the book by Kevin Wells? The police considered the family to be suspects. As police do in all countries of course, only in Portugal it was three months before they did anything about it.

Not according to Amaral's Book.. He had The McCanns in the frame from Day One, he said.

Lyall

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Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2014, 02:45:15 PM »
Not according to Amaral's Book.. He had The McCanns in the frame from Day One, he said.

Of course he suspected them, just like he also suspected everyone else: that's what policemen do. And women too.

Ask Kevin Wells.

stephen25000

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Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #80 on: January 07, 2014, 02:46:03 PM »
Of course he suspected them, just like he also suspected everyone else: that's what policemen do. And women too.

Ask Kevin Wells.

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Lyall

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Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #81 on: January 07, 2014, 02:48:54 PM »
Policepersons? >@@(*&)

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Lyall

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Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #82 on: January 07, 2014, 02:49:52 PM »
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stephen25000

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Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #83 on: January 07, 2014, 02:52:02 PM »
8((()*/ Happy New Year, Stephen (it's never too late).

Same to you Lyall.  8((()*/

Offline j.rob

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #84 on: January 17, 2014, 01:25:55 PM »
Not according to Amaral's Book.. He had The McCanns in the frame from Day One, he said.

Yes - because their behaviour was suspicious. He was using his powers of deduction from day one. That's what detectives do. The behaviour of their friends was suspicious too.

As to Murat, a journalist from the Sunday Mirror contacted Leicestershire police suggesting that Murat's behaviour was suspicious (a bit like Huntley's behaviour after the disappearance of the two girls in Soham). This was on the 6th May - two days after Madeleine's alleged abduction.

Jane Tanner, on the evening of the alleged abduction, claimed that she saw a man carrying a child going in the direction of Murat's house. Tanner's suggestion was that she had seen Madeleine's abductor carrying Madeleine.
Did Tanner and others directly identify Murat as the man who she thought had abducted Madeleine?

This was all supposed evidence for the abduction theory. See how many people are sowing the seeds for that theory from the very beginning, despite (allegedly) not being there to witness the abduction, therefore not theoretically having any knowledge as to what had happened to Madeleine?

Did Jane Tanner positively identify Murat as the man she saw carrying a child (the inference being that the child was Madeleine)? In any event, it is on record that the Portugese police did not believe the sighting was important and did not find Tanner a reliable witness.

Aren't doctors supposed to keep an open mind when faced with the challenge of making a diagnosis? Statistically speaking, abduction of a child by a random unknown person is rare. The McCanns themselves openly acknowledged this and in fact cited it as a justification for leaving the children alone in the apartment - they simply did not believe that abduction by a stranger was a possibility.

Statistically speaking, when a child disappears, it often has something to do with parents/carers/someone who knows the child.

While I can understand why, if you were wishing to cover up a crime, you might want to frame someone, what is less easy to understand is Gerry's answer when asked if he knew Murat. 'No comment'.

In actual fact, Murat offered to help the McCanns,  by translating for instance.

I wonder what Murat has to say about the McCanns and their friends?


Offline j.rob

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #85 on: January 17, 2014, 01:36:27 PM »
Okay, apparently Kate McCann claims that she had suspicions about Murat all along.

Who is claiming that a body is buried in Murat's driveway? Stephen Birch, the South African. He does not claim or suggest that Murat has anything to do with this. I have absolutely no idea as to the veracity of this claim.

I simply mention it as, hypothetically speaking, if someone had committed a crime they might want to cover it up and frame someone else. It is possible.

Even if there are human remains in Murat's driveway, on what basis would Stephen Birch claim that they were those of Madeleine?

Offline Victoria

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #86 on: January 17, 2014, 01:43:07 PM »
Okay, apparently Kate McCann claims that she had suspicions about Murat all along.

Who is claiming that a body is buried in Murat's driveway? Stephen Birch, the South African. He does not claim or suggest that Murat has anything to do with this. I have absolutely no idea as to the veracity of this claim.

I simply mention it as, hypothetically speaking, if someone had committed a crime they might want to cover it up and frame someone else. It is possible.

Even if there are human remains in Murat's driveway, on what basis would Stephen Birch claim that they were those of Madeleine?

Where?

Redblossom

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Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #87 on: January 17, 2014, 01:57:20 PM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-505443/Kate-McCann-My-suspicions-Murats-alibi-night-Madeleine-vanished.html
Pity shes never offered him any apology but forgives the abductor! Might wierd woman

Offline Victoria

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #88 on: January 17, 2014, 02:01:54 PM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-505443/Kate-McCann-My-suspicions-Murats-alibi-night-Madeleine-vanished.html
Pity shes never offered him any apology but forgives the abductor! Might wierd woman

So  no direct quote from Kate then. Just as I thought.

Redblossom

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Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #89 on: January 17, 2014, 02:12:46 PM »
So  no direct quote from Kate then. Just as I thought.

You didnt ask for one. You just said where? Show I showed you "where"



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