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Offline lizzibif

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #210 on: November 27, 2014, 09:43:52 AM »
He does however make reference to it during his interview on the 14th

05-Processo, Volume V, pages 1170-1178 (9 pages)

He ate a sandwich of cheese and ham sitting in the kitchen with his mother, until 22:00 or 23:00. Contrary to what he said originally, he was not with MICHAELA when she went to a Jehovah witnesses' meeting between 20:00 and 22:00, which is why he didn't phone her, because she turns her phone off.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

Didn't the Jehovah's report that Michaela wasn't at the meeting that night....?

Offline Victoria

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #211 on: November 27, 2014, 10:05:41 AM »
To be fair, any grown man who has to rely on his mother for an alibi is going to raise the odd eyebrow. It's not exactly rock solid, is it?

Still, we have to remember that, as with the McCanns, there wasn't any evidence to prosecute Murat, despite him being, apparently, under significant scrutiny.

Offline lizzibif

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #212 on: November 27, 2014, 10:10:43 AM »
To be fair, any grown man who has to rely on his mother for an alibi is going to raise the odd eyebrow. It's not exactly rock solid, is it?

Still, we have to remember that, as with the McCanns, there wasn't any evidence to prosecute Murat, despite him being, apparently, under significant scrutiny.

no evidence doesn't mean he couldn't of been involved in some way...the McCann anti's say that about them so why not murat...?

Offline Victoria

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #213 on: November 27, 2014, 10:12:11 AM »
no evidence doesn't mean he couldn't of been involved in some way...the McCann anti's say that about them so why not murat...?

Oh, I completely agree.

Offline Brietta

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #214 on: November 27, 2014, 10:56:01 AM »
Oh, I completely agree.

Without any doubt he is an extremely complex character. 

One thing which I did notice while reading the account in the files, was that his behaviour while he was acting as a translator was thought to be questionable by the attendant PJ officers and resulted in him being put under surveillance.

This was long, long before any British journalist expressed concern for precisely the same behaviour which had attracted the suspicion of the investigating officer.
In effect the journalist did not start the hue and cry as we have been led to believe ... the PJ were there before her.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline lizzibif

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #215 on: November 27, 2014, 11:11:51 AM »

Offline lizzibif

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #216 on: November 27, 2014, 11:17:36 AM »
Without any doubt he is an extremely complex character. 

One thing which I did notice while reading the account in the files, was that his behaviour while he was acting as a translator was thought to be questionable by the attendant PJ officers and resulted in him being put under surveillance.

This was long, long before any British journalist expressed concern for precisely the same behaviour which had attracted the suspicion of the investigating officer.
In effect the journalist did not start the hue and cry as we have been led to believe ... the PJ were there before her.


yes that's right he was under surveillance for about week by the pj ...before the journalist had suspicions about his behaviour....
 

Offline faithlilly

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #217 on: November 27, 2014, 12:49:11 PM »
There is no doubt that Mr Murat did change his story, unless "contrary to what he said originally" means different things to different people.  All that is open for discussion is why.

The circumstances in which statements were made is entirely different. 
Initial statements made in the immediate aftermath of the discovery that your child is missing using volunteer interpreters because you do not speak Portuguese are almost bound to contain errors. 

A person making a statement who is not emotionally involved some time after the event when the initial panic has subsided ... who is fluent and making the statement in Portuguese ... retracting the glaring error of providing information falsely naming a person as an alibi, must surely have set the antennae of the investigating officers twitching.

My but you are slippery Brietta.

For the confused the esteemed poster has just attempted to nullify Gerry's change of statement with regard to his entrance to 5a on the night of the 3rd while using Murat's as a stick with which to beat him.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline bros

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #218 on: November 27, 2014, 04:38:31 PM »
ONE MILLION $ QUESTION

Murat where was your Volkswagen Transporter? Decide which of your statement is correct.

1. He stated in the police report that his mom was driving it.
2. He stated during the lunch at home vith MW former husband that he left at town near  PDL with posters of missing girl.
3. He stated to the rent a car Agent that he needs to rent Hunday Gets urgently because his Volkswagen transporter was given to Brits to look for missing girls. (Here he panicked extremely).
 

Offline jassi

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #219 on: November 27, 2014, 04:42:42 PM »
I'm sure the police will ask all the question that they feel are necessary.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Carana

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #220 on: November 27, 2014, 06:16:56 PM »
There is no doubt that Mr Murat did change his story, unless "contrary to what he said originally" means different things to different people.  All that is open for discussion is why.

The circumstances in which statements were made is entirely different. 
Initial statements made in the immediate aftermath of the discovery that your child is missing using volunteer interpreters because you do not speak Portuguese are almost bound to contain errors. 

A person making a statement who is not emotionally involved some time after the event when the initial panic has subsided ... who is fluent and making the statement in Portuguese ... retracting the glaring error of providing information falsely naming a person as an alibi, must surely have set the antennae of the investigating officers twitching.

The original Amaral team just didn't seem to have a coherent system in operation.

There are lots of unanswered questions concerning details about lots of people... and quite a few instances of notes taken by various PJ officers that don't make much sense.

Whose fault?



Offline Carana

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #221 on: November 27, 2014, 06:25:07 PM »
ONE MILLION $ QUESTION

Murat where was your Volkswagen Transporter? Decide which of your statement is correct.

1. He stated in the police report that his mom was driving it.
2. He stated during the lunch at home vith MW former husband that he left at town near  PDL with posters of missing girl.
3. He stated to the rent a car Agent that he needs to rent Hunday Gets urgently because his Volkswagen transporter was given to Brits to look for missing girls. (Here he panicked extremely).
 

Hmm. Have you checked the files yourself on the issues concerning the cars?


Offline bros

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #222 on: November 27, 2014, 06:30:57 PM »
Hmm. Have you checked the files yourself on the issues concerning the cars?

yes I read them last few days.

Offline misty

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #223 on: November 27, 2014, 06:44:49 PM »
yes I read them last few days.

Contamination & confusion is good.
What police force in the world would covertly trail a suspect for the day and follow him to a police station where he was acted as a translator for another suspect (the gardener in this case)?

Offline bros

Re: Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.
« Reply #224 on: November 27, 2014, 06:53:49 PM »
Contamination & confusion is good.
What police force in the world would covertly trail a suspect for the day and follow him to a police station where he was acted as a translator for another suspect (the gardener in this case)?

PDL Police did a good job. I wonder wat the forum here will look like when the case is closed.