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Offline pathfinder73

I just looked at the perimeter fence there, and the entrance we are talking about doesn't look like a formal entrance. It's just a place where the fencing appears to have been broken and collapsed to the ground. In fact the whole fence seems pretty flimsily constructed. It's all pieced together in small sections like lego, and not very high. Probably quite easy to enter that ground from any point - theoretically.

I think it's an important question because SY believe that more people must have seen Smithman. If he was in the scrub ground at any point the chances of that are presumably less. There's also a possibility he went down Rua Primeiro until much further down, turning into Rua Alvernaz at the south edge of the scrub.

This looks like a slightly busier route and therefore less likely, though we don't know how well Smithman knew the town.

The dogs checked the wasteland and didn't find nothing. That fence is quite tall. He may have went the other way (ocean club side) but I don't think he did. I think the route shown in the map is the route that he probably would have taken (the path is a possibility). There's a bin on the west side of the perimeter fence opposite the camera which I think was a possible hiding place for Madeleine which Smithman later ran to in the first searches, retrieved her and went past the camera corner and followed the road straight down to the Smith family sighting. He could run from the apartment to the bin and then quickly walk with Madeleine and be seen by Smith family in only 2 minutes IMO.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2013, 08:29:11 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

The dogs checked the wasteland and didn't find nothing. That fence is quite tall. He may have went the other way (ocean club side) but I don't think he did. I think the route shown in the map is the route that he probably would have taken (the path is a possibility). There's a bin on the west side of the perimeter fence opposite the camera which I think was a possible hiding place for Madeleine which Smithman later ran to in the first searches, retrieved her and went past the camera corner and followed the road straight down to the Smith family sighting. He could run from the apartment to the bin and then quickly walk with Madeleine and be seen by Smith family in only 2 minutes IMO.

I forgot that the dogs checked this area.

I remember what you said about the bin, though if she wasn't taken til perhaps towards ten o'clock according to the current timeline then Smithman would not be going back and forward, leaving her then retrieving her again....

Offline pathfinder73

My theory is she was moved from the apartment by Smithman to the bin once everyone had arrived at the tapas bar. So she was moved just after 9pm.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2013, 08:40:27 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

An early portuguese press article "On the days right after the disappearance of Madeleine, a muffled cry that came from that location raised suspicions" refers to a building on this route

Offline Sherlock Holmes

An early portuguese press article "On the days right after the disappearance of Madeleine, a muffled cry that came from that location raised suspicions" refers to a building on this route

Which building?

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My theory is she was moved from the apartment by Smithman to the bin once everyone had arrived at the tapas bar. So she was moved just after 9pm.

That'll be the case wrapped up and solved, then ...

Offline pegasus

Which building?
The source is an article in "Sol" dated 15 September 2007 which was previously easy to find on the internet in original PDF form but now is very difficult to find, however there is a translation at mccannfiles site.

Offline pathfinder73

Thanks Pegasus. Which building is apartment block 'Pedras Brancas'?

Silence has returned to Praia da Luz

By Maria Mateus
15 September 2007


"People are saying they always walked hand in hand, and that he squeezed her hand when she talked too much". Inacio Salgadinho hands out the ticket that allows us to park within the parking lot that belongs to the village hall. He is 77, a man of few words but who doesn't excuse himself from answering the questions that, invariably, are asked by the people who leave their car there, in front of the beach: "Was the girl located? Was it the parents after all? Where is the Ocean Club apartment?"

Initially, he let the journalists park at no cost, but the space was quickly invaded by the media exclusively. "I started demanding the payment from everyone, because the village hall doesn't forgive me, I have to pay them at the end of each month!", he justifies.

The "problem" of journalists doesn't exist anymore. Now, very few are still around, and even these prefer to park around the church. In fact, if it weren't for the half dozen dishes on the satellite-cars and the cameras pointing at the church's main door, nobody would say that Praia da Luz, in the Algarve, had been the stage for the most mediatised police case there ever was in Portugal.

There are no longer photos of Madeleine in the shop windows, or yellow ribbons in the hair and around the wrists. And there are already people who fear the long-term consequences of the case, which the village will suffer: "With time, the English will stop coming here", Jorge Silva, a cook, foresees, and he explains: "We'll be remembered for a bad thing".

Business was good for some cafes and restaurants but nobody wants to admit a big increase in their income because of Maddie's case. Behind the counters, the reply is always the same: "High season here can be felt starting in early May" - precisely when the girl went missing.

Only at the bar of the local supermarket, the Baptista, Elsa Barros admits: "This year, we've had August twice". But she adds: "We usually sell well all year round".

Silence has returned to the village. Because there are less tourists, and because Kate and Gerry don't drag onlookers and the media behind them anymore.

But there is still a restlessness that is no longer due to the sidewalks being crowded and to the noise that came from the generators of the journalists' machinery. The noise is present in the memory of those who live in Luz. "We have a bigger fear of people. We had never heard anything about missing children around here. After this case, we started to be afraid", Celia Rodrigues says, while she irons at the local laundry shop. "My son, who is 11, is still frightened when a stranger looks at him", she adds. And even at school, Silvia Silva continues, "if someone stops and looks into the playground area - it's complicated! We suspect everything and everyone".

Silvia lives at the apartment block 'Pedras Brancas', which was inspected by the Policia Judiciaria (PJ). On the days right after the disappearance of Madeleine, a muffled cry that came from that location raised suspicions.

"On Saturday, around half past midnight, two inspectors from the Judiciaria asked to enter my home. My daughter was four months old back then. They looked at her often, they walked around the bathroom, the kitchen, they even peeked into the laundry basket", she recalls. The reports follow one another on the same subject, because on that night the PJ visited other homes, leaving the inhabitants restless and disturbed. "We didn't want to risk someone watching us talking to the PJ, like it happened with Luis, Robert Murat's friend. After the police talked to him, he never got himself another pool to clean", Silvia remembers.

The truth is that the Madeleine case brought the world unique images from Praia da Luz. The sand beach, the cliffs, the sea, the meandering streets that lead down to the beach, the church that overlooks the ocean - images that introduced an Algarve where one feels like going to. But that is not what people talk about at Luz. There, everybody laments that "we are only known for something so bad".
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Diligence carried out on couple in Edificio Pedras Brancas, Luz, Lagos 2007.05.09

 EXTERNAL INQUIRY REPORT

 Date: 2007/05/09
 Place: Edificio Pedras Brancas, no. *** - Luz - Lagos

 Responsible Officers: Reis Santos, Inspector Chief, Helder Carmo and Tony Almeida

 Description and result:
 ---At 08H30, it came to the attention of the PJ, from an individual who chose not to identify himself, that the day before yesterday (08/05/07), a couple resident at number *** Edificio Pedras Brancas ' Luz ' Lagos, had conversed, and in the middle of  the conversation it appeared to him that they were discussing a child and the possibility of the Police finding her in that place; 
 ---We immediately left for that residence indicated above;
 ---Upon approaching the residence in question, we were greeted by the owner identified as K*** P***** K*****, born 12/04/1968, in Scarborough ' U.K., holder of a British passport no. ******, and to whom we explained the reason for our visit. He immediately invited the PJ inspectors to enter and to carry out all necessary checks;
 ---In conversation with K*** K******, he confirmed having had a discussion with his wife and referred to the situation of the missing child and that she had to be found by the police in the Luz area;
 ---K*** ***** also informed the officers that on 02/05/2007, he was hospitalised due to a right foot fracture;
 ---He also identified his wife, S****** D***** R*****, - Germany, holder of a German passport, no. **********;
 ---We looked through the home, and nothing was found.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

White with blue pathfinder, that diligence was presumably the Sat night (5/6 May)? There was also a smaller different diligence morning of 8th which you found, also other references  in the statements files.

P.S. In Sol article the original text of noise was "um choro abafado" and the day and time of resulting PJ diligence was "no sábado, por volta da meia noite e meia". So presumably that means very late Saturday night???
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Offline Sherlock Holmes

Diligence carried out on couple in Edificio Pedras Brancas, Luz, Lagos 2007.05.09

 EXTERNAL INQUIRY REPORT

 Date: 2007/05/09
 Place: Edificio Pedras Brancas, no. *** - Luz - Lagos

 Responsible Officers: Reis Santos, Inspector Chief, Helder Carmo and Tony Almeida

 Description and result:
 ---At 08H30, it came to the attention of the PJ, from an individual who chose not to identify himself, that the day before yesterday (08/05/07), a couple resident at number *** Edificio Pedras Brancas ' Luz ' Lagos, had conversed, and in the middle of  the conversation it appeared to him that they were discussing a child and the possibility of the Police finding her in that place; 
 ---We immediately left for that residence indicated above;
 ---Upon approaching the residence in question, we were greeted by the owner identified as K*** P***** K*****, born 12/04/1968, in Scarborough ' U.K., holder of a British passport no. ******, and to whom we explained the reason for our visit. He immediately invited the PJ inspectors to enter and to carry out all necessary checks;
 ---In conversation with K*** K******, he confirmed having had a discussion with his wife and referred to the situation of the missing child and that she had to be found by the police in the Luz area;
 ---K*** ***** also informed the officers that on 02/05/2007, he was hospitalised due to a right foot fracture;
 ---He also identified his wife, S****** D***** R*****, - Germany, holder of a German passport, no. **********;
 ---We looked through the home, and nothing was found.

What does this mean? Is it just  a bad translation?

Offline pathfinder73

Is this the building?

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

« Last Edit: December 10, 2013, 01:02:23 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

If Smithman is an innocent father with child, then why would he be walking that way at that time?
One possibility may arises from parking.
What if the parking spaces on Rua 25 Abril, and on the lanes reached by going down those steps, are generally fully occupied at 10pm? If so, it is possible that an innocent father returning home by vehicle might park in the parking area on the left in the last photo in post above ( http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9058/zvk9.jpg ) and then walk downhill to their home (presumably a short distance south of R. 25 Abr). The hypothesis depends on the rules for this parking area.

Offline John

If Smithman is an innocent father with child, then why would he be walking that way at that time?
One possibility may arises from parking.
What if the parking spaces on Rua 25 Abril, and on the lanes reached by going down those steps, are generally fully occupied at 10pm? If so, it is possible that an innocent father returning home by vehicle might park in the parking area on the left in the last photo in post above ( http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9058/zvk9.jpg ) and then walk downhill to their home (presumably a short distance south of R. 25 Abr). The hypothesis depends on the rules for this parking area.

I suppose anything is possible.  After all, it took Tannerman over six years to decide go come forward.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.