Was there ever any evidence of criminality against the McCanns?

[icabodcrane]

I'd like to address the protestation that it would be impossible  for the McCanns to appear 'normal'  in a situation where they were aware that some tragedy had befallen their child

Within a matter of days of their three year old daughter having been snatched from her bed, and carried off into the darkness by a predator  (  according to them )  the McCanns were photographed smiling broadly as they left church on what would have been their daughter's fourth birthday

Within two weeks of Madeleine's disappearance both Kate and Gerry were going for runs, and Gerry was playing tennis with the the Mark Warner tennis coach.  There were no tears when interviewed, and Gerry McCann was filmed on a balcony, laughing and gesturing animatedly

When people remarked that all this seemed a bit 'off'  they were scolded for not understanding that how people deal with personal tragedy is entirely unpredicible,  and that no-one knows how they might react until they are faced with that trauma themselves

Which always sounded fair and reasonable to me

Here's the question though  ...  how can any of us predict how the McCanns would have behaved that night  (  if they were aware that some tragedy had occurred ) ?

We  accept that their situation is outside anything we can imagine, and their behaviour entirely  unpredictible as a consequence  ...  so how can we say, with certainty, that they would not have been able to behave 'normally'  ?

Oh well - these old conceptions had to surface here sooner later - condemning the McCanns because they were caught smiling; going running, playing tennis; no public displays of grief; Kate wearing earrings, having her hair done.
 

I wasn't condemning the McCanns for acting in a way that some found questionble ...  far from it ...  I was agreeing with those who admonished that  no-one knows how they might behave in such tragic and traumatic circumstances

What I was pointing out, was that, by the same token, none of us can predict whether  or not it would be possible to put on a show of normalicy, in those tragic and and traumatic circumstances, if desperation called for it 

We don't ...  do we  ?

[Angelo222]

It appears then that the issue of evidence against the McCanns is a complicated one according to some.  For me this is not the case as I am yet to read anything which comes anywhere near to providing such evidence.  Debunker can dress it up any way he likes and provide as many definitions he wants but he will never change history. Throwing the dictionary out of the pram only means he has lost the argument.   

Icas insistence that seeing a man carrying a female child is somehow evidence against the McCanns is admirable but misconceived.  All it really is is evidence of an unidentified man carrying a female child.  Nothing more and nothing less.  If this is the best evidence she can provide in support of her case then she too has lost the argument.

I rest my case.   

[debunker]

It appears then that the issue of evidence against the McCanns is a complicated one according to some.  For me this is not the case as I am yet to read anything which comes anywhere near to providing such evidence.  Debunker can dress it up any way he likes and provide as many definitions he wants but he will never change history. Throwing the dictionary out of the pram only means he has lost the argument.   

Icas insistence that seeing a man carrying a female child is somehow evidence against the McCanns is admirable but misconceived.  All it really is is evidence of an unidentified man carrying a female child.  Nothing more and nothing less.  If this is the best evidence she can provide in support of her case then she too has lost the argument.

I rest my case.   

I shall take "throwing the dictionary out of the pram" as a thin veil drawn over your inability to produce any independent support for you fallacious contention. Discussion and argument involve not only debate but also referencing it to something outside your own set of beliefs.

[Luz]

There appears to be some confusion among posters as to what constitutes evidence of criminal activity and in particular where it relates to the McCann's and the rest of the Tapas 9. There is a myth here so let's here your views?

My own position is that this is a myth borne out of inuendo and rumour.  As far as I am concerned there is no such evidence but others including Debunker claim otherwise so nows your chance.

What is this evidence??

Absolutely right. The McCann are as clean as angels from the sky ( I hope you've not read Anatole's Falling Angels).

Nothing they ever did is suspicious, not even trying to pull out that they did 30 minutes checks on the kids, under the advice of their portuguese lawyer, in order to avoid a negligence prosecution.

Cleaning their apartment prior to the arrival of the GNR, called almost an hour later, is not suspicious. It is not suspicious that a child that lived in an apartment for 4/5 days didn't leave any DNA trace.

It is not suspicious that while the first forces (the military GNR) were called and went out for  a possibly mis-strayed kid, the parents kept inside the apartment calling all their contacts in the UK instead of going out to check themselves.

I could go on, but I was advised to leave links, and as I don't have the time right now, I'll live just this considerations.

The McCann are pure angels!

[debunker]

There appears to be some confusion among posters as to what constitutes evidence of criminal activity and in particular where it relates to the McCann's and the rest of the Tapas 9. There is a myth here so let's here your views?

My own position is that this is a myth borne out of inuendo and rumour.  As far as I am concerned there is no such evidence but others including Debunker claim otherwise so nows your chance.

What is this evidence??

Absolutely right. The McCann are as clean as angels from the sky ( I hope you've not read Anatole's Falling Angels).

Nothing they ever did is suspicious, not even trying to pull out that they did 30 minutes checks on the kids, under the advice of their portuguese lawyer, in order to avoid a negligence prosecution.

Cleaning their apartment prior to the arrival of the GNR, called almost an hour later, is not suspicious. It is not suspicious that a child that lived in an apartment for 4/5 days didn't leave any DNA trace.

It is not suspicious that while the first forces (the military GNR) were called and went out for  a possibly mis-strayed kid, the parents kept inside the apartment calling all their contacts in the UK instead of going out to check themselves.

I could go on, but I was advised to leave links, and as I don't have the time right now, I'll live just this considerations.

The McCann are pure angels!

You are correct. There is evidence against the McCanns. But you are wrong- all the evidence is virtually meaningless in the real world.

Still waiting for those cites.

[amaraltheofficeboy]

Luz
Cleaning their apartment prior to the arrival of the GNR

I hope you have proof of that - otherwise it is a lie

[AnneGuedes]

There appears to be some confusion among posters as to what constitutes evidence of criminal activity and in particular where it relates to the McCann's and the rest of the Tapas 9. There is a myth here so let's here your views?

My own position is that this is a myth borne out of inuendo and rumour.  As far as I am concerned there is no such evidence but others including Debunker claim otherwise so nows your chance.

What is this evidence??

Absolutely right. The McCann are as clean as angels from the sky ( I hope you've not read Anatole's Falling Angels).

Nothing they ever did is suspicious, not even trying to pull out that they did 30 minutes checks on the kids, under the advice of their portuguese lawyer, in order to avoid a negligence prosecution.

Cleaning their apartment prior to the arrival of the GNR, called almost an hour later, is not suspicious. It is not suspicious that a child that lived in an apartment for 4/5 days didn't leave any DNA trace.

It is not suspicious that while the first forces (the military GNR) were called and went out for  a possibly mis-strayed kid, the parents kept inside the apartment calling all their contacts in the UK instead of going out to check themselves.

I could go on, but I was advised to leave links, and as I don't have the time right now, I'll live just this considerations.

The McCann are pure angels!

You are correct. There is evidence against the McCanns. But you are wrong- all the evidence is virtually meaningless in the real world.

Still waiting for those cites.

Can someone illustrate the semantic field of "presumption" ?

[Angelo222]

Cleaning their apartment prior to the arrival of the GNR, called almost an hour later, is not suspicious. It is not suspicious that a child that lived in an apartment for 4/5 days didn't leave any DNA trace.

It is not suspicious that while the first forces (the military GNR) were called and went out for  a possibly mis-strayed kid, the parents kept inside the apartment calling all their contacts in the UK instead of going out to check themselves.

Why are you perverting the known facts Luz?  Admin should have a view on this as it is a blatant attempt to smear the family.

They did not clean the apartment Luz, they closed the window and the shutters.  You cannot blame the McCanns for the fact that the GNR took nearly an hour to arrive because they were tied up at another event.  Several calls were made to the police by several people and from both Portugal and the UK so your attempt to blame the McCanns for this is very weak.

Why did the PJ forensics fail to find Madeleine's DNA in apartment 5a?  Could it be that they were incompetent?  Not wearing gloves etc

It is another lie to say the McCanns stayed in the apartment.  Gerry was between the apartment and reception where he met the GNR at around 11pm.  Kate had to look after the twins.  Have you got that?

[amaraltheofficeboy]

If the authorities had removed the bedding from Madeleine's bed and submitted it for detailed forensic examination then they would have found Madeleine's DNA - and who knows - maybe some more.

But they didn't even follow that basic step.

[amaraltheofficeboy]

that is offensive luz

[Luz]

Luz
Cleaning their apartment prior to the arrival of the GNR

I hope you have proof of that - otherwise it is a lie

Read through the files, I will not support lazy kiddos, sorry.

[Luz]

that is offensive luz

Why is it offensive? I've only used one of my favorite sculpting photos to make a point. What are you? A Vatican police?

[amaraltheofficeboy]

AnneGuedes
You're right there's no evidence the place was cleaned

luz says the Mccanns cleaned it before GNR arrived

[Carana]

Luz
Cleaning their apartment prior to the arrival of the GNR

I hope you have proof of that - otherwise it is a lie

Read through the files, I will not support lazy kiddos, sorry.

Luz, I am really lost as to where you source your information.

[amaraltheofficeboy]

that is offensive luz

Why is it offensive? I've only used one of my favorite sculpting photos to make a point. What are you? A Vatican police?

it was not the picture - it was your words that were offensive