Was there ever any evidence of criminality against the McCanns?

[Luz]

that is offensive luz

Why is it offensive? I've only used one of my favorite sculpting photos to make a point. What are you? A Vatican police?

it was not the picture - it was your words that were offensive

Forget it! Not even going to respond...

[Luz]

AnneGuedes
You're right there's no evidence the place was cleaned

luz says the Mccanns cleaned it before GNR arrived

you 

OHHHHH, go get the school principal to call me in.

[debunker]

That's completely false Anne.  The Ocean Club  telephoned the police immediately they placed their missing child plan into operation around 10.15pm.   If you read the GNR statements and in particular the one by the officer in charge that night you will find that they received several calls but were unable to send a patrol as the only one was already tied up with another call.  The patrol got to Praia da Luz as fast as they could after being alerted and arrived at 11pm.

Amaral didn't even arrive until midnight so explain that too please??

The call to GNR is registered at 22:41 and they arrived 10 minutes later. The PJ was not called until at least after 10min past midnightm when the GNR started to suspect that was not just a case of a wandering child.

(and no, I will not direct you to the files, you know were they are, move your fingers and get there)

Where is the EVIDENCE they cleaned the apartment?

[AnneGuedes]

Luz knows there's no evidence of cleaning up. There's only, and it's a fact, the disturbing disturbance or rather alteration of the crime scene.

[gilet]

Luz
Cleaning their apartment prior to the arrival of the GNR

I hope you have proof of that - otherwise it is a lie

Read through the files, I will not support lazy kiddos, sorry.

So once again you have failed to provide any evidence for your claim. I am (after so many failures on your part) entitled to presume that is because you have no evidence and are just lying.

Do you not even understand that the rules of this forum suggest you should not make claims without supporting them with evidence? Why are you so disrespectful to other members of this forum?

[Redblossom]

I don't know why people are of the view that the person Jane Tanner alledgedly saw at 9.15 or so is the same person the Smith group saw at 10.00 or so. The descriptions of him are not identical, they differ in a couple of respects, in appearance, hair and face,  and in where they were going. Not to mention one of the Smiths said the child had a long sleeved pyjama top on and trousers and Kate says Madeleine was wearing short sleeved pyjama top that night and that Jane had seen bare arms, not that I read that anywhere in Jane Tanners statements, was that a Kate porkie? and the bottoms were shorts.

These pyjamas were what Amaral purchased, as being the same as Madeleine wore.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id30.html

Mr Amaral went and bought an identical set of Madeleine's pyjamas? I learn something new everyday here. Can you quote for this please?

[DCI]

I don't know why people are of the view that the person Jane Tanner alledgedly saw at 9.15 or so is the same person the Smith group saw at 10.00 or so. The descriptions of him are not identical, they differ in a couple of respects, in appearance, hair and face,  and in where they were going. Not to mention one of the Smiths said the child had a long sleeved pyjama top on and trousers and Kate says Madeleine was wearing short sleeved pyjama top that night and that Jane had seen bare arms, not that I read that anywhere in Jane Tanners statements, was that a Kate porkie? and the bottoms were shorts.

These pyjamas were what Amaral purchased, as being the same as Madeleine wore.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id30.html

Mr Amaral went and bought an identical set of Madeleine's pyjamas? I learn something new everyday here. Can you quote for this please?

YEP  8-)(--)

To: Police Scientific Laboratory
Lisbon

5th June 2007

Subject: Sending of Pyjamas

The present inquiry investigates the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on 3rd May 2007. I am herewith delivering to the Police Scientific Laboratory a pair of girl's pyjamas.

The Pyjamas are from Marks and Spencers, size 2 to 3 years -97 cm.

The pyjamas are composed of two pieces: camisole type without buttons and half sleeves, pink with designs, letters and tracing in white with (small) floral patterns, the right pyjama bottom leg has a design (smaller size) which is identical to that of the camisole.

The pyjamas being sent are 'equal' in make, model, size, colours and designs as well as presumably the texture, to those the little girl was wearing at the time of her disappearance. The article sent serves for eventual comparisons with fibres collected by the competent officers of the Police Scientific Lab, within the scope of the current investigation.

With compliments

Signed

The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Goncalo Amaral

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

[amaraltheofficeboy]

It seems that Redblossom does learn something new every day.

[Redblossom]

OK DCI, but you havent proven your assertion that it was Mr Amaral who went out and bought them. How does this link with the Mccanns holding up a pair of identical pyjamas on the same day on Crimewatch on 5th June! Not saying the PJ didn't, just making sure you are not mistaken.

[DCI]

OK DCI, but you havent proven your assertion that it was Mr Amaral who went out and bought them. How does this link with the Mccanns holding up a pair of identical pyjamas on the same day on Crimewatch on 5th June! Not saying the PJ didn't, just making sure you are not mistaken.

Did I say he went out and bought them? Same date, so what.
Do you know what time they did the interview?
Do you know what time Amaral sent that email? 

[Redblossom]

OK DCI, but you havent proven your assertion that it was Mr Amaral who went out and bought them. How does this link with the Mccanns holding up a pair of identical pyjamas on the same day on Crimewatch on 5th June! Not saying the PJ didn't, just making sure you are not mistaken.

Did I say he went out and bought them? Same date, so what.
Do you know what time they did the interview?
Do you know what time Amaral sent that email?

These pyjamas were what Amaral purchased

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Your words. And no, I do not know any times, how silly, you made the assertion thatAmaral purchased them, you back it up. And so what if he did?

[AnneGuedes]

Nothing in this letter says the pyjamas were purchased. They were sent, that's all.
A Marks & Spencer in Portimao ? Selling those pyjamas ? If ordered those pyjamas would have directly gone to the PJ Laboratory in Lisbon.

[Carana]

Luz knows there's no evidence of cleaning up. There's only, and it's a fact, the disturbing disturbance or rather alteration of the crime scene.

What alteration of the crime scene are you thinking about, Anne?

[AnneGuedes]

Luz knows there's no evidence of cleaning up. There's only, and it's a fact, the disturbing disturbance or rather alteration of the crime scene.

What alteration of the crime scene are you thinking about, Anne?

Hi Carana !
When he arrived at the bedroom he first noticed that the door was completely open, the window was also open on one side, the external blinds almost fully raised, the curtains drawn back, MADELEINE'S bed was empty but the twins continued sleeping in their cribs. He clarifies that according to what KATE told him, that was the scene that she found when she entered the apartment.
----- Then he closed the external blinds, made his way to the outside and tried to open them, which he managed to do, much to his surprise given that he thought that that was only possible from the inside.
10th May 2007

[Carana]

Luz knows there's no evidence of cleaning up. There's only, and it's a fact, the disturbing disturbance or rather alteration of the crime scene.

What alteration of the crime scene are you thinking about, Anne?

Hi Carana !
When he arrived at the bedroom he first noticed that the door was completely open, the window was also open on one side, the external blinds almost fully raised, the curtains drawn back, MADELEINE'S bed was empty but the twins continued sleeping in their cribs. He clarifies that according to what KATE told him, that was the scene that she found when she entered the apartment.
----- Then he closed the external blinds, made his way to the outside and tried to open them, which he managed to do, much to his surprise given that he thought that that was only possible from the inside.
10th May 2007

Ok, thanks, Anne.


I can see why those who think the McCanns staged an abduction might find that suspicious.

On the other hand, people were running around trying to work out what had happened, whether she could be hiding somewhere, moving furniture, whether someone had broken in...

With hindsight, it would be easy to think that no one should have touched anything. But even the GNR did, to double-check that she really wasn't there before calling the PJ.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but it rarely takes the context and panic of the moment into consideration.