Just one question to Goncalo or Kate and Gerry

[registrar]

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Decomp Dog
The term "decomposition dog" was started by the NecroSearch group. They felt it better describes how dogs will indicate decomposed human scent which includes blood, feces, urine or other material with human scent on it.

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http://www.k9forensic.org/faq.html

[DCI]

Why were you so certain on May 4th, they were guilty of harming Madeleine?

Why didn't you once meet the McCann's?

Why did you lie in your book?

[registrar]

Why were you so certain on May 4th, they were guilty of harming Madeleine?

Why didn't you once meet the McCann's?

Why did you lie in your book?

IMO - as plain and simple as machoism - still rife in these parts

pretty female English person - with a proper doctorate (Kate) taking no BS from alpha male, Amaral

that's where the hatred lies in my view

simple human urges - Amaral lost the plot on the night he took the call

and lashed out

under Salazar that would have earned him a medal - every time

shame the entire media of the 21st century were watching his every move - and he couldn't get away with the m-word

Not getting biblical on you guys - but pride comes before the fall

And Amaral fell mightily

A victim of hubris

[Angelo222]

Is it correct to state that dogs like the former Eddie will or should react to any human waste material regardless of whether it came from a live or a dead body?

So any poo left behind by children on an apartment floor will cause a reaction??

[debunker]

Is it correct to state that dogs like the former Eddie will or should react to any human waste material regardless of whether it came from a live or a dead body?

So any poo left behind by children on an apartment floor will cause a reaction??

No.

I am skeptical about the dogs abilities, but such a criticism is not supported by evidence.

It is an unsupported and incorrect belief.

[registrar]

Is it correct to state that dogs like the former Eddie will or should react to any human waste material regardless of whether it came from a live or a dead body?

So any poo left behind by children on an apartment floor will cause a reaction??

No.

I am skeptical about the dogs abilities, but such a criticism is not supported by evidence.

It is an unsupported and incorrect belief.

Oh dear, debunker,

you have not done your homework

here, just for you in simple English:

http://www.rsc.org/images/TM0512-putrescine-cadaverine_tcm18-221656.pdf 

[Benice]

To Amaral.

If as you claim Jane Tanner positively identified Murat as the man she saw abducting Madeleine, then why did you not feel it was vital to record this momentous/crucial evidence in a Witness statement signed by her as a matter of urgency  - when you must have known that without a written, signed statement it was only 'Hearsay' and of no legal use to the investigation.    Why, when your officers rang you to ask if she needed to sign anything the answer was 'no' - and she was sent home?

Good question Benice.  I wouldn't expect an answer from Amaral though as his crystal ball is indisposed at the moment.  He had a great knack of putting 4 and 4 together and getting 44 instead of 8.  Alas and it was all going so well for him at one time.

Indeed.    IMO he didn't ask for JT to be brought to the police station PDQ because his officers told him that she had NOT been able to identify Murat and a statement confirming that fact was not what he wanted and was of no use to him.    However, without a statement he could say anything he liked to Murat during interrogation and I strongly suspect  Murat was told that JT HAD positively identified him - just as Gerry was falsely told that 100% DNA match to Madeleine in the car had been found by the dogs.

Amaral has continued to make this claim about JT during TV interviews and in his book, but has never explained why he did not think it necessary for what was probably THE most important evidence obtained against Murat to justify making him an Arguido - to be recorded in a formal witness statement.

There is no mention of this alleged positive identification by JT in the AG's report - in the section where all the evidence gathered against Murat was listed.   That can only be because it does not -  and never did exist.


 

[debunker]

Is it correct to state that dogs like the former Eddie will or should react to any human waste material regardless of whether it came from a live or a dead body?

So any poo left behind by children on an apartment floor will cause a reaction??

No.

I am skeptical about the dogs abilities, but such a criticism is not supported by evidence.

It is an unsupported and incorrect belief.

Oh dear, debunker,

you have not done your homework

here, just for you in simple English:

http://www.rsc.org/images/TM0512-putrescine-cadaverine_tcm18-221656.pdf

Give me strength!!!!!

I know that there is Putrescine and Cadaverine in faeces. Of course there would be as it is decayed organic matter.

The world is full of decayed organic matter.

Different types of matter have different complexes of chemicals beyond simple Putrescine and Cadaverine (maybe 400 plus organic molecules in all)

Each substance gives off a particular profile of such a complex scent. Dogs are trained to concentrate first on the odor of rotted piglets (human and porcine solids and fluids are chemically very similar) and the dog is trained to ignore other profiles of say dead dog, or road kill or 'poo'. Finally an attempt is made to differentiate between Human and Porcine profiles.

The problem that this leaves is that semen, blood, menstrual flow, putrefying flesh and so on of humans shares a very similar series of profiles to human cadaver odor.

[ferryman]

To Amaral.

If as you claim Jane Tanner positively identified Murat as the man she saw abducting Madeleine, then why did you not feel it was vital to record this momentous/crucial evidence in a Witness statement signed by her as a matter of urgency  - when you must have known that without a written, signed statement it was only 'Hearsay' and of no legal use to the investigation.    Why, when your officers rang you to ask if she needed to sign anything the answer was 'no' - and she was sent home?

Good question Benice.  I wouldn't expect an answer from Amaral though as his crystal ball is indisposed at the moment.  He had a great knack of putting 4 and 4 together and getting 44 instead of 8.  Alas and it was all going so well for him at one time.

Indeed.    IMO he didn't ask for JT to be brought to the police station PDQ because his officers told him that she had NOT been able to identify Murat and a statement confirming that fact was not what he wanted and was of no use to him.    However, without a statement he could say anything he liked to Murat during interrogation and I strongly suspect  Murat was told that JT HAD positively identified him - just as Gerry was falsely told that 100% DNA match to Madeleine in the car had been found by the dogs.

Amaral has continued to make this claim about JT during TV interviews and in his book, but has never explained why he did not think it necessary for what was probably THE most important evidence obtained against Murat to justify making him an Arguido - to be recorded in a formal witness statement.

There is no mention of this alleged positive identification by JT in the AG's report - in the section where all the evidence gathered against Murat was listed.   That can only be because it does not -  and never did exist.








 






 

 

If you read the account of the "sighting", it was a farce from start to finish.  En route to the van from which Jane was to make the sighting, they actually bumped in to Robert Murat, introduced themselves and said "helo".  The sighting was probably nul and void from that point.

But in further farce, at the exact point that Jane was about to make the sighting, a car pulled out and blocked her view, leaving in question whether she ever actually made a sighting at all ...

[registrar]

Is it correct to state that dogs like the former Eddie will or should react to any human waste material regardless of whether it came from a live or a dead body?

So any poo left behind by children on an apartment floor will cause a reaction??

No.

I am skeptical about the dogs abilities, but such a criticism is not supported by evidence.

It is an unsupported and incorrect belief.

Oh dear, debunker,

you have not done your homework

here, just for you in simple English:

http://www.rsc.org/images/TM0512-putrescine-cadaverine_tcm18-221656.pdf

Give me strength!!!!!

I know that there is Putrescine and Cadaverine in faeces. Of course there would be as it is decayed organic matter.

The world is full of decayed organic matter.

Different types of matter have different complexes of chemicals beyond simple Putrescine and Cadaverine (maybe 400 plus organic molecules in all)

Each substance gives off a particular profile of such a complex scent. Dogs are trained to concentrate first on the odor of rotted piglets (human and porcine solids and fluids are chemically very similar) and the dog is trained to ignore other profiles of say dead dog, or road kill or 'poo'. Finally an attempt is made to differentiate between Human and Porcine profiles.

The problem that this leaves is that semen, blood, menstrual flow, putrefying flesh and so on of humans shares a very similar series of profiles to human cadaver odor.

That's a yes then?

[debunker]

Is it correct to state that dogs like the former Eddie will or should react to any human waste material regardless of whether it came from a live or a dead body?

So any poo left behind by children on an apartment floor will cause a reaction??

No.

I am skeptical about the dogs abilities, but such a criticism is not supported by evidence.

It is an unsupported and incorrect belief.

Oh dear, debunker,

you have not done your homework

here, just for you in simple English:

http://www.rsc.org/images/TM0512-putrescine-cadaverine_tcm18-221656.pdf

Give me strength!!!!!

I know that there is Putrescine and Cadaverine in faeces. Of course there would be as it is decayed organic matter.

The world is full of decayed organic matter.

Different types of matter have different complexes of chemicals beyond simple Putrescine and Cadaverine (maybe 400 plus organic molecules in all)

Each substance gives off a particular profile of such a complex scent. Dogs are trained to concentrate first on the odor of rotted piglets (human and porcine solids and fluids are chemically very similar) and the dog is trained to ignore other profiles of say dead dog, or road kill or 'poo'. Finally an attempt is made to differentiate between Human and Porcine profiles.

The problem that this leaves is that semen, blood, menstrual flow, putrefying flesh and so on of humans shares a very similar series of profiles to human cadaver odor.

That's a yes then?

It's a no. Human faces (unless from a cannibal) would not have the human profile of odor, but the profile of the odors of the animals consumed.

[registrar]

btw it's faeces (British spelling)

or feces (US spelling)

you don't read many books I take it?

[Mr Moderator]

Isn't odour a British word and odor a US one?

[registrar]

Isn't odour a British word and odor a US one?

correct

[debunker]

btw it's faeces (British spelling)

or feces (US spelling)

you don't read many books I take it?

Only sitting in a study with maybe 30,000 of the b....rs.

You are silly.