Curious anomaly with Mr Smith's "damascus moment" ...

[DevilsAdvocate]

But what bearing does the main body of your OP have in relation to Martin Smith's claimed sighting ?
I apologise in advance if it is staring me in the face but I just can't see the correlation  !

Martin Smith claims to have seen Gerry.

He claims the man was definitely not Robert Murat because (according to his statement) he had met Murat in a bar a year ago before.

That doesn't exactly correspond with what the paper reports that someone (if not Smith, then who) had seen Murat in the bar that night.

But the paper's version would certainly tally with Smith (inadvertently) landing Murat in trouble because it would contradict Murat's claim and the alibi of his mother that he spent the whole evening May 3rd in doors with his mother ...

Hi Ferryman, sorry, I was getting tangled up in Paul Gordon's recollection of events..
In my opinion I don't think that the 'friend of Murat' reference was Martin Smith.
I will have a look through articles and see if I can clarify further !

[ferryman]

But what bearing does the main body of your OP have in relation to Martin Smith's claimed sighting ?
I apologise in advance if it is staring me in the face but I just can't see the correlation  !

Martin Smith claims to have seen Gerry.

He claims the man was definitely not Robert Murat because (according to his statement) he had met Murat in a bar a year ago before.

That doesn't exactly correspond with what the paper reports that someone (if not Smith, then who) had seen Murat in the bar that night.

But the paper's version would certainly tally with Smith (inadvertently) landing Murat in trouble because it would contradict Murat's claim and the alibi of his mother that he spent the whole evening May 3rd in doors with his mother ...

Hi Ferryman, sorry, I was getting tangled up in Paul Gordon's recollection of events..
In my opinion I don't think that the 'friend of Murat' reference was Martin Smith.
I will have a look through articles and see if I can clarify further !

Thank you.

There could well be someone else in the file I've missed, and if so, I would be most interested to find out who.

[Eleanor]

So, it wasn't actually Robert Murat who Mr, Smith did know.  But it could have been Gerry McCann who Mr. Smith didn't know.

Okay,  See you in Court.

[DevilsAdvocate]

So, it wasn't actually Robert Murat who Mr, Smith did know.  But it could have been Gerry McCann who Mr. Smith didn't know.

Okay,  See you in Court.

Who shall you be seeing  in court and under what summons ?

[DevilsAdvocate]

Okay,  See you in Court.

Why make such an incendiary comment and not elaborate further when asked to do so ?

[gilet]

Hi Ferryman, is it just me who is struggling to find a link between the question posed in the thread subject line and the cited references in the body of the post ?
Also the 'damascus moment' reference is rather ill used, a more apt phrase may be 'eureka moment' !

The anomaly is in working out who, if not Martin Smith, Pagarete is talking about

And that is why you cannot trust newspaper articles who can copy and paste and jiggle around all sorts of info whilst not actually saying anything
 

Isn't it pathetic the way that Hideho uses so many newspaper headlines (never mind stories) to prop up her propaganda then? What a fool she is according to you? I have to agree on this point.

[Redblossom]

This is nothing to do with hideho videos or what I think of them, it is about Mr Smith obviously having words put in his mouth or being misquoted by the papers, which he complained about btw red rags reporting on it and someone trying to make it out as some kind of truth. The lawyer maybe read the quotes and assumes they were true, they were not.

[ferryman]

This is nothing to do with hideho videos or what I think of them, it is about Mr Smith obviously having words put in his mouth or being misquoted by the papers, which he complained about btw red rags reporting on it and someone trying to make it out as some kind of truth. The lawyer maybe read the quotes and assumes they were true, they were not.

Aside from an easily rectifiable administrative error, why was Mr Smith never interviewed a second time?

[Redblossom]

This is nothing to do with hideho videos or what I think of them, it is about Mr Smith obviously having words put in his mouth or being misquoted by the papers, which he complained about btw red rags reporting on it and someone trying to make it out as some kind of truth. The lawyer maybe read the quotes and assumes they were true, they were not.

Aside from an easily rectifiable administrative error, why was Mr Smith never interviewed a second time?

He was, see last entry on this link

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Why derail the thread from your OP?

[Carana]

I suspect that the "source" got it wrong and forgot to mention that MS was talking about the previous year. Pagarete could easily have assumed that "the friend" was placing RM 5 km away on the night (and therefore it couldn't have been him).


A friend of suspect Robert Murat, 34, falsely told police the Brit expat was drunk in a cafe the night Madeleine vanished.

Murat insists he was at home with his mother Jenny, 71. A source told newspaper 24 Horas: "The friend guaranteed Murat was in a coffee shop about five kilometres from the Ocean Club. He said he left drunk."

Murat's lawyer Francisco Pagarete, said: "He tried to defend Robert and ended up prejudicing him. We can prove Murat was with his mother."

[ferryman]

I suspect that the "source" got it wrong and forgot to mention that MS was talking about the previous year. Pagarete could easily have assumed that "the friend" was placing RM 5 km away on the night (and therefore it couldn't have been him).


A friend of suspect Robert Murat, 34, falsely told police the Brit expat was drunk in a cafe the night Madeleine vanished.

Murat insists he was at home with his mother Jenny, 71. A source told newspaper 24 Horas: "The friend guaranteed Murat was in a coffee shop about five kilometres from the Ocean Club. He said he left drunk."

Murat's lawyer Francisco Pagarete, said: "He tried to defend Robert and ended up prejudicing him. We can prove Murat was with his mother."

Ah.  I'd lost track of this thread.

That can't be right, because Pagarete definitely says someone (if not Smith, then who?) whose intentions in respect of Murat were good, ended up landing him in the brown stuff.

There is literally no one (whose statements we read in the files) who meets that description, and there is only one who makes reference to Murat and bars ...

[AnneGuedes]

I suspect that the "source" got it wrong and forgot to mention that MS was talking about the previous year. Pagarete could easily have assumed that "the friend" was placing RM 5 km away on the night (and therefore it couldn't have been him).


A friend of suspect Robert Murat, 34, falsely told police the Brit expat was drunk in a cafe the night Madeleine vanished.

Murat insists he was at home with his mother Jenny, 71. A source told newspaper 24 Horas: "The friend guaranteed Murat was in a coffee shop about five kilometres from the Ocean Club. He said he left drunk."

Murat's lawyer Francisco Pagarete, said: "He tried to defend Robert and ended up prejudicing him. We can prove Murat was with his mother."

Ah.  I'd lost track of this thread.

That can't be right, because Pagarete definitely says someone (if not Smith, then who?) whose intentions in respect of Murat were good, ended up landing him in the brown stuff.

There is literally no one (whose statements we read in the files) who meets that description, and there is only one who makes reference to Murat and bars ...

Ferryman, which description are you thinking of, please ?

[ferryman]

This one, Anne:

Murat's lawyer Francisco Pagarete, said: "He tried to defend Robert and ended up prejudicing him. We can prove Murat was with his mother."

If not Smith, then who?

[Eleanor]

So, it wasn't actually Robert Murat who Mr, Smith did know.  But it could have been Gerry McCann who Mr. Smith didn't know.

Okay,  See you in Court.

Who shall you be seeing  in court and under what summons ?

I was being ironic. 

Far too much importance was placed on Mr. Smith's 60/80% remark by Amaral and others, especially in the light of what the rest of The Smith Family had to say.  Consequently, no one was ever going to finish up in Court on Mr. Smith's evidence.

As for Robert Murat being drunk in a Bar, that was just some newspaper mixing up what someone said, probably Mr. Smith.  There was a lot of that going on at the time.

[ferryman]

As for Robert Murat being drunk in a Bar, that was just some newspaper mixing up what someone said, probably Mr. Smith.  There was a lot of that going on at the time.

Who do you think Pagarete was referring to whose intentions in respect of Murat were good but who dunhimbad?