What is the case for abduction

[Redblossom]

What is the evidence?

Discuss

BBL

[ferryman]

The most potent evidence is 7 or 8 sightings of a man seen carrying a child at least one of whom (Afoe Smith) believes, with a fairly high degree of probability, might have been Madeleine -- at a time when Gerry is established as having been in the restaurant.

There was also unattributed DNA from the apartment that conceivably might have been from the abductor, and the fact that the McCanns were prompt in raising the alarm.

The McCanns were also widely attested to be relaxed and jovial during the evening, not at all the demeanours of a couple hiding some dreadful secret.

[icabodcrane]

The McCanns say so

...  and that is all there is

[icabodcrane]

The McCanns say so

...  and that is all there is

For someone who supports Debunker's definition re: evidence being all information pertaining to the case, even false information, I'm surprised to read what you have written above.

I am not dismissing evidence for abduction,  I am pointing out that the McCanns are, invariably, it's source

The open window, for instance, is certainly evidence of an intruder in the apartment

How do we know the window was open ? ...  the McCanns say so

Jane tanner spotting a child wearing the same pyjamas Madeleine was weraing when she went to bed that night, is evidence of a possible abduction

How do we know they were the same pyjamas Madeleine was wearing ?  ...  because the McCanns say so

Any evidence of abduction always come back to the McCanns as it's source

[AnneGuedes]

The McCanns say so

...  and that is all there is

For someone who supports Debunker's definition re: evidence being all information pertaining to the case, even false information, I'm surprised to read what you have written above.

I am not dismissing evidence for abduction,  I am pointing out that the McCanns are, invariably, it's source

The open window, for instance, is certainly evidence of an intruder in the apartment

How do we know the window was open ? ...  the McCanns say so

Jane tanner spotting a child wearing the same pyjamas Madeleine was weraing when she went to bed that night, is evidence of a possible abduction

How do we know they were the same pyjamas Madeleine was wearing ?  ...  because the McCanns say so

Any evidence of abduction always come back to the McCanns as it's source

They might be right, but all those are McCann facts.

[gilet]

Isn't it remarkable that Anne Guedes and Icabodcrane are ignoring the clear evidence of a potential abductor from the Smith family?

Total hypocrisy on their part.

 

[AnneGuedes]

The most potent evidence is 7 or 8 sightings of a man seen carrying a child at least one of whom (Afoe Smith) believes, with a fairly high degree of probability, might have been Madeleine -- at a time when Gerry is established as having been in the restaurant.

Unfortunately there is no evidence of this, partly because the alert time isn't well established.

[Benice]

The McCanns say so

...  and that is all there is

For someone who supports Debunker's definition re: evidence being all information pertaining to the case, even false information, I'm surprised to read what you have written above.

I am not dismissing evidence for abduction,  I am pointing out that the McCanns are, invariably, it's source

The open window, for instance, is certainly evidence of an intruder in the apartment

How do we know the window was open ? ...  the McCanns say so

Jane tanner spotting a child wearing the same pyjamas Madeleine was weraing when she went to bed that night, is evidence of a possible abduction

How do we know they were the same pyjamas Madeleine was wearing ?  ...  because the McCanns say so

Any evidence of abduction always come back to the McCanns as it's source

But what evidence do you have that the McCanns are not telling the truth?

Incidentally one of the Warner staff also saw the open window.  Anne someone? Sorry can't recall her other name at the moment.

[AnneGuedes]

Isn't it remarkable that Anne Guedes and Icabodcrane are ignoring the clear evidence of a potential abductor from the Smith family?

Total hypocrisy on their part.

Are we ignoring ? Total provocation on your part.

[AnneGuedes]

The McCanns say so

...  and that is all there is

For someone who supports Debunker's definition re: evidence being all information pertaining to the case, even false information, I'm surprised to read what you have written above.

I am not dismissing evidence for abduction,  I am pointing out that the McCanns are, invariably, it's source

The open window, for instance, is certainly evidence of an intruder in the apartment

How do we know the window was open ? ...  the McCanns say so

Jane tanner spotting a child wearing the same pyjamas Madeleine was weraing when she went to bed that night, is evidence of a possible abduction

How do we know they were the same pyjamas Madeleine was wearing ?  ...  because the McCanns say so

Any evidence of abduction always come back to the McCanns as it's source

But what evidence do you have that the McCanns are not telling the truth?

Incidentally one of the Warner staff also saw the open window.  Anne someone? Sorry can't recall her other name at the moment.

I know who you mean, she was someone Tierney, we don't know which time she saw the shutters open nor how open they were. Remember Mr McCann immediately checked whether the shutters were openable from outside, destroying partly the crime scene.

[amaraltheofficeboy]

of course it was all discussed here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1158.0

   icabodcrane

Abduction ... what is the evidence ?
« on: April 06, 2013, 04:58:59 PM »

[gilet]

Isn't it remarkable that Anne Guedes and Icabodcrane are ignoring the clear evidence of a potential abductor from the Smith family?

Total hypocrisy on their part.

Are we ignoring ? Total provocation on your part.

What provocation? Are you accusing me of something?

[Benice]

The McCanns say so

...  and that is all there is

For someone who supports Debunker's definition re: evidence being all information pertaining to the case, even false information, I'm surprised to read what you have written above.

I am not dismissing evidence for abduction,  I am pointing out that the McCanns are, invariably, it's source

The open window, for instance, is certainly evidence of an intruder in the apartment

How do we know the window was open ? ...  the McCanns say so

Jane tanner spotting a child wearing the same pyjamas Madeleine was weraing when she went to bed that night, is evidence of a possible abduction

How do we know they were the same pyjamas Madeleine was wearing ?  ...  because the McCanns say so

Any evidence of abduction always come back to the McCanns as it's source

But what evidence do you have that the McCanns are not telling the truth?

Incidentally one of the Warner staff also saw the open window.  Anne someone? Sorry can't recall her other name at the moment.

I know who you mean, she was someone Tierney, we don't know which time she saw the shutters open nor how open they were. Remember Mr McCann immediately checked whether the shutters were openable from outside, destroying partly the crime scene.

Yes - thankyou for that Anne.  I believe Miss Tierney was one of the first to enter 5A. and IIRC she also made a search?   I think we can forgive Gerry McCann for not regarding the scene through cold clinical eyes as a crime scene in those first few moments.  Well I can anyway.     Unfortunately we cannot say the same about the GNR/dogs etc who also contributed to the contamination of 5A but were not in the same emotional state as the McCanns and their friends and as police officers should have known better.

[icabodcrane]

Isn't it remarkable that Anne Guedes and Icabodcrane are ignoring the clear evidence of a potential abductor from the Smith family?

Total hypocrisy on their part.

The Smiths did not see an abductor  ...  they saw a man carrying a child

The only significance in their evidence in probative terms is that Mr Smith thinks it was Gerry he saw

[AnneGuedes]

I think we can forgive Gerry McCann for not regarding the scene through cold clinical eyes as a crime scene in those first few moments.  Well I can anyway.     Unfortunately we cannot say the same about the GNR/dogs etc who also contributed to the contamination of 5A but were not in the same emotional state as the McCanns and their friends and as police officers should have known better.

Well, Benice, for the same reason you forgive Mr McCann, I'm amazed a cultured man manipulated a piece of evidence instead of running like a mad man sobbing and screaming his adored daughter's name.
Numi, if I may, was brought inside in order to find a trail ! Unfortunately they didn't open the patio doors, so we don't know where the freshest trail started.