The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.

[AnneGuedes]

could you give us any details of their deployment

This is a blood detector dog.
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/Noticia.aspx?channelid=00000010-0000-0000-0000-000000000010&contentid=C424ECDF-4F2D-4D51-AB28-230AD9850BE6

[Mr Gray]

This is a blood detector dog.
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/Noticia.aspx?channelid=00000010-0000-0000-0000-000000000010&contentid=C424ECDF-4F2D-4D51-AB28-230AD9850BE6

 Not blood....cadaver

[AnneGuedes]

Do you have one case where the Portuguese dogs have detected cadaver odour?

Cadaver dog
http://www.publico.pt/local/noticia/corpo-de-homem-desaparecido-no-rio-mondego-resgatado-ao-inicio-da-noite-1579632

[Mr Gray]

Cadaver dog
http://www.publico.pt/local/noticia/corpo-de-homem-desaparecido-no-rio-mondego-resgatado-ao-inicio-da-noite-1579632

 We all know about dogs detecting cadavers..they have been used to find bodies in earthquakes etc for many yeras...more specifically has a Portuguese dog detected the scent of death where no body has been present

[Redblossom]

Cripes this is getting like the holocaust denial in some parts, pathetic....cadaver dogs detect remnant scent.....as well as physical remains...get over it......thnk Ive read enough apologists for one evening....on this and other issues....need  a peptobismol for it too


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[Mr Gray]

Cripes this is getting like the holocaust denial in some parts, pathetic....cadaver dogs detect remnant scent.....as well as physical remains...get over it......thnk Ive read enough apologists for one evening....need a peptobismol for it too


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Im well aware of remnant smell...which can of course be caused by cross contamination..as described by Grime

[AnneGuedes]

We all know about dogs detecting cadavers..they have been used to find bodies in earthquakes etc for many yeras...more specifically has a Portuguese dog detected the scent of death where no body has been present

This I don't know. those are EVRD dogs, aren't they ?
I suppose that cadavers are usually found where people died. There might have been cases of newborn found by chance in a bin, but it is never thanks to a cadaver dog.
You have to realise, Davel, that very rarely a child vanishes without a trace in Europe.
Luckily.
And if you add the "from bed" criterium it is more than rare, it never happened afaik.
A little girl just 5 was allegedly abducted from a park, in France, when her pregnant mother had a little snap. The police discovered in the mother's laptop that sites about abduction had been intensely visited before the "abduction". They waited until the baby was born to arrest the mother and her partner. The body has never been found. They said where they buried it, they went on the place with the police, nothing was found. Where do you think the body was put in ?

[AnneGuedes]

Im well aware of remnant smell...which can of course be caused by cross contamination..as described by Grime

Not up to the point to "invade" the global air of a flat.

[AnneGuedes]

.need  a peptobismol for it too

I don't know what this is but I perhaps need it. Not even a "thank you" for searching..

[Redblossom]

I don't know what this is but I perhaps need it. Not even a "thank you" for searching..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepto-Bismol


It settles you when you feel nauseous and sick.....

You expecting "thanks" for anything done in Portugal by some? hell would freeze over first.......
 


Gnite anne

[colombosstogey]

I was bothered by handler cueing too. Then I watched the video in 5A. Mr Grime repeatedly called Eddie back to one of the beds in the same manner that he did with the car, yet Eddie didn't alert.

I can't explain cuddlecat. It does look odd doesn't it?

I also think that a dog not alerting is a dog doing it's job too. I don't see any benefit in forcing a dog to alert if there's nothing there. If Madeleine had been found alive, Mr Grime loses credibility and therefore his livelihood.

The dog took it out of the bin. It isnt trained to play with toys. For me it did that for a reason perhaps a worrying scent but not sure of it.....after all the cat had been washed with Persil so many times.......

[colombosstogey]

Sick of reading carp about the dogs. 200 cases prior to the McCanns and afterwards positive findings, and they are rubbish.

The dogs alert blah blah, but they dont know what it is they are alerting to, its just a trained scent to them.

Grimes had no idea they would alert ANYWHERE.

The trouble is with the Internet everyone can be an expert. It takes years of training these dogs if they are constantly tested and if they fail they are out.

Look at all the people dogs help, blind, deaf, diabetic, disabled, stuck in avalanches, bomb disposal, (very brave and many are killed), they used them in the war and they saved a lot of lives.

The dog is not for making fun of no way.

Meet Sergeant Stubby a decorated dog from World War 1.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/sergeant_stubby.htm

He saved many a life with his sensitive nose.

So many dogs deployed in the war over 30,000 who went on to save countless lives.

The dogs save many lives in many situations, earthquakes, tsunamis, tornados.

They stop terroists from getting on planes to blow us up.

Dogs at war:

http://www.sheppardsoftware.com/content/animals/animals/breeds/dogtopics/dogs_war.htm

Dogs who save lives:

http://www.dogguide.net/25-hero-dogs.php

What makes a good Cadaver dog?

Drive, a good nose, and an ability to focus.  A good cadaver dog needs to be deeply bonded to his handler and simultaneously be independent and to make decisions on his own.  The dog needs to work as part of an inseparable unit with the handler, but also be independent enough that he’s not constantly looking back for signals on what to do next.  When Solo is working scent, he won’t look back at me for minutes at a time.  He will be out there, and I will be trying to stay out of his way so he can do his best work.

Taken from this article:

http://news.nationalgeographic.co.uk/news/2013/10/1310xx-working-dog-dead-body-cat-warren-science/

Finally from the above article:

Finally, I think it's important for people to realize that while dogs and their noses are amazing, they are not magical, and it's not easy work. It takes rigorous training, handling, and a fine dog to produce good results.


I am sadly sick to death of the dogs being made fun of and Grimes too. Its beyond sickening.

They were asked to do a job they did it.

End of.

Thank god for dogs is all I can say, I would rather trust one of them at least you know where you stand with them.

[colombosstogey]

NO. Fantasy is expecting a dog to tell you what you hope to hear. Dogs have many talents, but their main one is telling you what you want to know. And pleasing you. Dogs have relatively small brains and incredible noses. They have nasal passage the size of a tennis court, but they would kill for, and be distracted by a pig's ear. Don't rely on a dog.

I'll get my coat.


 


Oh dear. I get so wanky when I talk about dogs, they are my thing, but I would no more ask a dog's opinion about anything than have dinner on the moon. Springers used for sniffing are rehomed reprobrates, they only want to please their handlers. They are easily led. QED.

What a load of rubbish. You are supposed to be a dog expert ROFLMO. I am more an expert then you. I have trained a few dogs over my time and fostered dogs in Kenya which needed retraining and new homes found.

The Springer is ideal for search dog because of its high energy and intelligence.

A lot of cadaver dogs are trained from puppies, if they fail they might then go on to be used in other police handling fields, or even given to Dog for blind training or Disability training.

IF a dog is trained correctly it can be allowed a free rein to check on scent and the surrounding area, and then intelligent and trained well enough to come back to the handler when needed to focus.

The dogs are amazing when well trained.

Yes they can loose focus but then they are not trained or handled correctly.

[colombosstogey]

The question is what would please the handler in this particular case ? And why ?


From what I've seen, the dog is forced, forced and forced again to react to something that can be misconstrued.

You have no idea what your talking about.

The dog is so well trained it is able to go off on its own when it gets the scent. It picked the scent up from the Renault on the left side but wasnt sure where it was coming from, so it went off with its head up sniffing the air.....

This is what it is TRAINED TO DO.

The handler saw where the dog alerted and therefore brought it back to focus on the car.

The handler would have no idea the dog would alert to the car.

Jeez this is what good cadaver dogs do, they go off on their own, then they are brought back to find the source.

Let us assume for arguements sake there was a cadaver scent on the Renault car. The car has to be DRIVEN into the car parking area and finally parked ready for the test.

Well the scent would be around the area the car was driven wouldnt it?

So this is why the dog was looking for the original scent source.

ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.

From what you have said you have no idea about dog training.

I have more experience lol and I taught myself.

[Mr Gray]

Not up to the point to "invade" the global air of an flat.

 It is according to grime..but of course posters on here think they know more than grime