The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.

[Cariad]

How would you like me to clarify the post?

I wasn't trying to be nasty, I was just trying to make you aware that it could be misconstrued...

We can all assume that It's my misunderstanding and move on before I get in to trouble for off topic posting.....

[Mr Gray]

I wasn't trying to be nasty, I was just trying to make you aware that it could be misconstrued...

We can all assume that It's my misunderstanding and move on before I get in to trouble for off topic posting.....

Cariad.. I didn't for one minute thought you were trying to be nasty...far from it... Gerry had a vision whilst deep in prayer...anne ridiculed it ... I think that's totally unfair

[AnneGuedes]

I forgot the McCanns driven to Fatima on the 23th of May by a chauffeur offered by Mark Warner.
And the pope on the 30th making the sign of the cross on a photo of Madeleine !
Ah and a certain butterfly on Mrs McCann's shoulder at the same moment !
Madeleine didn't get out of the flat through the window but rationality certainly did.

[AnneGuedes]

You said those were myths, Davel, I proved you they were not. I didn't intend to ridicule anything, just said the irrational is reigning, which is true.

[Mr Gray]

I forgot the McCanns driven to Fatima on the 23th of May by a chauffeur offered by Mark Warner.
And the pope on the 30th making the sign of the cross on a photo of Madeleine !
Ah and a certain butterfly on Mrs McCann's shoulder at the same moment !
Madeleine didn't get out of the flat through the window but rationality certainly did.

 when you have lost your daughter...and you have no idea where she is ...desperation kicks in

[Mr Gray]

You said those were myths, Davel, I proved you they were not. I didn't intend to ridicule anything, just said the irrational is reigning, which is true.

The irrational is any belief in god..

[ferryman]

Way too funny !!

Any sign of those independent citations for the £93,000 paid to Martin Grime in Jersey and the work he conducted in the U.S.A. at $450 per day, and of course the crucial breakdown of expenses in both cases ?

That can be lesson 1 of my 'education' !

You've had the quote for Jersey.

Here is the one for the Sam Parker Case

We also saw video played in the courtroom to demonstrate how another dog, Eddie, found a sample pair of pants hidden in the Walker County Jail that was perfumed with a cadaver scent. Eddie is an English Springer Spaniel belonging to Martin Grime, a world-renown forensic K-9 expert based in the United Kingdom.

Grime testified he was paid $450 a day, plus travel and living expenses, by the FBI to search some areas in Walker County in connection with Teresa Parker's disappearance.


http://www.scentevidence.com/2009/07/dog-debate-at-center-of-murder-case.html

[Mr Gray]

You've had the quote for Jersey.

Here is the one for the Sam Parker Case

We also saw video played in the courtroom to demonstrate how another dog, Eddie, found a sample pair of pants hidden in the Walker County Jail that was perfumed with a cadaver scent. Eddie is an English Springer Spaniel belonging to Martin Grime, a world-renown forensic K-9 expert based in the United Kingdom.

Grime testified he was paid $450 a day, plus travel and living expenses, by the FBI to search some areas in Walker County in connection with Teresa Parker's disappearance.


http://www.scentevidence.com/2009/07/dog-debate-at-center-of-murder-case.html

 good evening ferryman...when will the posters on this and other forums realise that the dogs alert and it is up to the experts to interpret these alerts. it seems that posters here actually think they are experts ...what a load of plonkers

[Cariad]

The irrational is any belief in god..

I agree with this. I'm an atheist though. The Mccann's reliance on psychic's and the like is well documented. It's not a myth.

[Cariad]

Way too funny !!

Any sign of those independent citations for the £93,000 paid to Martin Grime in Jersey and the work he conducted in the U.S.A. at $450 per day, and of course the crucial breakdown of expenses in both cases ?

That can be lesson 1 of my 'education' !

As far as I can tell, the £93k breaks down to £750 a day for the first 5(?) days and six hundred thereafter. I don't know if that included some of his expenses or not.

The information is probably there, but I can't be bothered to trawl through it.

If the $450 didn't include vets bills etcetera but the £600 did, there's hardly any difference.

[Mr Gray]

I agree with this. I'm an atheist though. The Mccann's reliance on psychic's and the like is well documented. It's not a myth.

Cariad.. ive changed my opinion of you...  I think you are probably quote a nice person...but the Mccanns belief in psychics is a myth

[AnneGuedes]

I don't mind them relying on psychics, god or whatever.
What I do mind is their making pressure on the PJ to welcome the body hunter, to listen to dreams, to investigate a psychic's vision of a boat with Madeleine, and, the worst, to read tons of emails sent by self called mediums.
There's a German clairvoyant, in relation with God (dixit), ready to dig near Albufeira... As a help, because the ground he delimited is 1500 m2, he asked the PJ to lend him a cadaver dog! Am I hallucinating ?

[Mr Gray]

And your citation for the racially derogative remark asserting that education levels are low in Ahascragh ? Or is this another occasion where you have been shown up for what you are !

 pat its your posts ...you have shown yourself to be a fool..

[Carana]

From what I can gather of the general Jersey fiasco, I find it important to separate the abuse investigation from the potential murder aspect. Checking whether there was evidence to support a murder investigation is legitimate, IMO. However, there seems to have been a cocktail of factors that cost Jersey unnecessary millions and - at the end of the day - no probative evidence. 

From the report into the Jersey investigation into the use of resources: 


We have provided detailed comment regarding Mr Grime, because, as we will explain, he had (directly and indirectly) a significant influence on the conduct, and thus cost, of the investigation, far beyond simply the fees and costs incurred by himself, albeit we do have some concerns about the cost of Mr Grime's services.

http://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20OperationRectangleReviewUseResources%20201005%20BDO.pdf#page=45&zoom=80,0,820

The pages about the general forensics (the dogs and LCG) are on pp 36-50.

Much of the criticism in that report isn't about Grime, per se, but about the lack of supervision / management that led to expensive excavations whenever the dogs alerted. 

Then, there is the Wiltshire report which went further (pp. 116-117):

"The review also noted that ‘there was concern from some persons interviewed that too much reliance had been placed on the dogs’. It is accepted that dogs are ‘presumptive screening assets’ only and that any alerts or indications they give must be forensically corroborated. In addition, it is a fact that there were no concise terms of reference for the deployment of Martin GRIME and his EVRD or his subsequent use as a search advisor, apparently with the support of DCO HARPER.

3.10.13 CO POWER himself states ‘the search dog seemed to play a significant role in determining whether a specific location needed to be examined further. I am not an expert on dogs or what they do’.

3.10.14 Again, there is a distinct lack of documentary evidence to show any intrusive supervision of the SIO with regard to the continued search. This Inquiry concludes that the actions of DCO HARPER and Martin GRIME went unsupervised for some considerable time."


"OFFICER X notes that during conversation with X, CO POWER accepted that ‘the dog was ‘probably unreliable’ and that the dog handler, GRIME, had too much influence over the enquiry, again, Mr POWER didn’t say how he managed or dealt with that issue’. This Inquiry has been unable to establish whether CO POWER made any further attempts to supervise the SIO in this key part of the investigation."

http://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20WiltshireOperationHavenRedacted%2020081112%20JN.pdf

[Carana]

As far as I can tell, the £93k breaks down to £750 a day for the first 5(?) days and six hundred thereafter. I don't know if that included some of his expenses or not.

The information is probably there, but I can't be bothered to trawl through it.

If the $450 didn't include vets bills etcetera but the £600 did, there's hardly any difference.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1513.msg112902#msg112902