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Offline Carew

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #285 on: February 17, 2014, 09:35:47 AM »
Dried blood from living people - according to Grime.

What happened to Eddie`s dried blood alerts in other sites, then?

ferryman

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Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #286 on: February 17, 2014, 09:37:08 AM »
Dried blood from living people - according to Grime.

Or nothing, according to the apparent 'alert' to cuddle-cat (second time of asking!)

It would be rough to blame Eddie for that, though.

All the fault of his master ...

Offline Benice

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #287 on: February 17, 2014, 09:48:28 AM »
What happened to Eddie`s dried blood alerts in other sites, then?

This has all been done to death before.      IMO especially in the carpark - it was related to how much time Eddie was given to alert.    If he had been made to spend the same amount of time on the other cars instead of only a quarter of the time or less  - than he was made to spend at the Renault -  alerts may have resulted in other cars.

(Must go out now).
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline EnolaStraight

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #288 on: February 17, 2014, 09:53:11 AM »
What happened to Eddie`s dried blood alerts in other sites, then?

Just what I was posting when my tablet closed down for lack of charge.

Given human propensity for stubbed toes, shaving nicks, scalp wounds and other sources of blood and given that there seems to be no forensic evidence of GPS knowledge of the location and hence would have contaminated the experiment. Why was this one not blinded? Sloppy experimentation.


Offline pathfinder73

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #289 on: February 17, 2014, 09:57:22 AM »
@Pegasus Yes I've considered that the clothes could have been contaminated but the time of the first daily routine change of the week fits in with wearing those clothes IMO. Any routine changes will be investigated and this is the most probably time when certain tragic events happened and therefore forced the change. Everything is simple about this case and it doesn't require to be overcomplicated by finding solutions to impossible moving doors and an open window that nobody went through. You only have to look at the contradictions between the first two statements to see what's really going on. The bigger the lie the more it's believed i.e. in this case "Abduction"!
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline EnolaStraight

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #290 on: February 17, 2014, 10:08:44 AM »
I watched the programme on animal senses the other week. I was impressed by the cadaver dog locating the canister under water and silt in a lake..... until I realised that there were people on the boat who knew from the GPS when the boat regained its previous position. It would not take much for the dog to bed reacting to human behaviour on the boat.

Offline Carew

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #291 on: February 17, 2014, 01:07:22 PM »
This has all been done to death before.      IMO especially in the carpark - it was related to how much time Eddie was given to alert.    If he had been made to spend the same amount of time on the other cars instead of only a quarter of the time or less  - than he was made to spend at the Renault -  alerts may have resulted in other cars.

(Must go out now).

Yes, it certainly has............but it never needs much encouragement to unleash a re-run of the imo , accusatory innuendo about conscious/unconscious cuing.............or the comments that given enough time Eddie would eventually alert to anything, anywhere, anyway just to please his handler, does it?






Offline John

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #292 on: February 17, 2014, 01:13:25 PM »
We asked Mr Grime to comment on the various accusations but he stated that as the case was still a live ongoing investigation that it would be inappropriate for him to do so.  It could well be that he will have to give evidence at some stage if the case comes to trial.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Serendipity

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #293 on: February 17, 2014, 01:52:44 PM »
Or nothing, according to the apparent 'alert' to cuddle-cat (second time of asking!)

It would be rough to blame Eddie for that, though.

All the fault of his master ...

Twaddle. The reason Martin put cuddle cat in the cupboard is explained below.



http://www.scpr.org/news/2012/01/20/30870/indiana-bones-cadaver-dog-severed-limbs-hollywood/

Estuarine

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Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #294 on: February 17, 2014, 04:20:44 PM »
"Dogs aren't motivated by what we are motivated by" Now there's a revelation and a half.
The dogs work for reward?
I am now going into Wonderfulspam mode:- drug sniffer dogs in a group enjoying a spliff at the end of a successful day.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #295 on: February 17, 2014, 04:25:24 PM »
We asked Mr Grime to comment on the various accusations but he stated that as the case was still a live ongoing investigation that it would be inappropriate for him to do so.  It could well be that he will have to give evidence at some stage if the case comes to trial.

That is a massive assumption by you . he has already commented...the dogs alert have no evidential value...what would a QC make of that

Redblossom

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Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #296 on: February 17, 2014, 04:29:41 PM »
That is a massive assumption by you . he has already commented...the dogs alert have no evidential value...what would a QC make of that

Not misquoting are you perchance?

Where has he ever said exactly and only that? Nowhere

any Qc will not take kindly to cherry picking and twisting of facts though

Offline EnolaStraight

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #297 on: February 17, 2014, 04:31:36 PM »
Not misquoting are you perchance?

Where has he ever said exactly and only that? Nowhere

any Qc will not take kindly to cherry picking and twisting of facts though

What did he say about the reliability of dog evidence?

Redblossom

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Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #298 on: February 17, 2014, 04:35:44 PM »
What did he say about the reliability of dog evidence?

I am sure you have read the files so you will know, I dont do trick questions, but he never said what davel has posted as fact





Offline EnolaStraight

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #299 on: February 17, 2014, 04:40:50 PM »
I am sure you have read the files so you will know, I dont do trick questions, but he never said what davel has posted as fact

I find your style of posting a little annoying, consisting as it seems to sideswipes at people who disagree with you and a failure to produce real evidence, relying largely on emotion and personal belief. It lessens the debate.