The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.

[icabodcrane]

You can put it any way you want..the fact is...and it is a FACT...that death in the apt is a rational possibility without an alert...I'm right and you are wrong to say the opposite

I'll try once more  (  on the assumption that you genuinely do not see the point I am making  ) 

Let's say the cadaver dog was deployed and did  not  alert in apartment 5A 

That would have been an indication   ...  not absolute proof ...  but an  indication that the missing child did not die there

Agreed  ? 

In this case,  however,  the cadaver dog did  alert in apartment 5A indicating that the missing child may have died there

You seem to be suggesting that cadavor dog alerts are not   indicative or suggestive  in any way,  which is an  insupportable position for you take

[Mr Gray]

I'll try once more  (  on the assumption that you genuinely do not see the point I am making  ) 

Let's say the cadaver dog was deployed and did  not  alert in apartment 5A 

That would have been an indication   ...  not absolute proof ...  but an  indication that the missing child did not die there

Agreed  ? 

In this case,  however,  the cadaver dog did  alert in apartment 5A indicating that the missing child may have died there

You seem to be suggesting that cadavor dog alerts are not   indicative or suggestive  in any way,  which is an  insupportable position for you take

Didn't say they weren't suggestive...thats all they are ...according to grime..suggestive
Even with no alert it is a possibility that there had been a death in the apt...your suggestion that without an alert a death is not a rational possibility is just ridiculous...

So ...With or without the alert...there may have been a death in the apt

[AnneGuedes]

When somebody dies, in Portugal, a coroner is called, not a cadaver dog.
No coroner was ever called in the G5A, according to the register books.

[icabodcrane]

Didn't say they weren't suggestive...thats all they are ...according to grime..suggestive
Even with no alert it is a possibility that there had been a death in the apt...your suggestion that without an alert a death is not a rational possibility is just ridiculous...

So ...With or without the alert...there may have been a death in the apt

I do my best to avoid your hair-splitters' conventions,  so I'll bow out now

To conclude,  though,  I believe there is a possibility that Madeleine McCann  died in the apartment 

My belief in that possibility is not random or obscure.  It is based on the fact that a cadaver dog alerted there

Had the dog  not barked in apartment 5A then there would be no  indication of the child having died there and there would be no supportable reason for suggesting she might have

That's the difference you seem to be confused about

There is a  'reason'  to believe the missing child may have died in apartment 5A

...  that reason,  is  the dog

[Mr Gray]

I do my best to avoid your hair-splitters' conventions,  so I'll bow out now

To conclude,  though,  I believe there is a possibility that Madeleine McCann  died in the apartment 

My belief in that possibility is not random or obscure.  It is based on the fact that a cadaver dog alerted there

Had the dog  not barked in apartment 5A then there would be no  indication of the child having died there and there would be no supportable reason for suggesting she might have

That's the difference you seem to be confused about

There is a  'reason'  to believe the missing child may have died in apartment 5A

...  that reason,  is  the dog

So if death in the apartment was not a reasonable possibility without an alert...why bring in...a great expense...a cadaver dog

[AnneGuedes]

What the Portuguese paid for those dogs was certainly the best expense of all. Thanks to the dogs, death in the flat became a possibility and challenged the omnipresent life through abduction. The MP generously offered the protagonists to convince the authorities that their dogma was the truth. They rejected that opportunity. At least now the MP has death in the flat as a possible reason why the abduction obsession led nowhere.

[Redblossom]

So if death in the apartment was not a reasonable possibility without an alert...why bring in...a great expense...a cadaver dog

Apart from continually twisting what posters have said,(particularly icabs in this instance and i dont blame hm at all for bowing out of false time  wasting worthless rubbish)  you lose arguments and move  the goalposts, ,which is pretty cringeworthy at best,  that is a ridiculous question! Ask mark harrison and the uk police why a cadaver dog was suggested to the portuguese, it was recommended in order to find possible remnant scent of a death in flat 5a

Think they know more and are more experienced than you dont you think? Lol

In fact your question is a totally screwed up and irrational one as you twisted yourself too much this time, 0/10

jesus, but is what ive come to expect from apologists of the mitchell school, "anything found or not found'  will have an innocent explanation"  he said lol

 

paid pr man who will lie as its allowed in his professin

[Redblossom]

What the Portuguese paid for those dogs was certainly the best expense of all. Thanks to the dogs, death in the flat became a possibility and challenged the omnipresent life through abduction. The MP generously offered the protagonists to convince the authorities that their dogma was the truth. They rejected that opportunity. At least now the MP has death in the flat as a possible reason why the abduction obsession led nowhere.

Indeed

[Redblossom]

I'm confused Davel.

You acknowledge that cadaver scent exists but then dismiss the dogs findings because along with the cadaver scent there is no corroboration. That is an argument at this moment in time for a court of law. Correct me if I'm wrong but nobody as yet has been charged with any offence in relation to a dead body. Neither has anyone on this forum suggested that anybody should be charged with any offence in relation to a dead body. They merely argue it's an indication that a dead body was present although who's dead body it is yet to be determined but given that a young child disappeared in the same apartment it's A BLOODY BIG CLUE!

On this basis.......what the hell are you still banging on about evidence for?

Any future trial which he doesnt think  will happen anyway


 

where mr grime will not be called as a witness


 
Cos he already gave a statement and in davels feelings he doesnt think he can add anything to it



Eta but of course  a cadaver dog alerting to the last place a missing child was seen means nothing for so many so many excuses made why it cant have been to a body of that child, quite sad really if you think about it

and of course no one can come up with any example of eddie the cadaver dog  having alerted anywhere for a missing person and them turning up alive! Pretty slam dunk to me

mind you, though, perhaps people did turn up and testify they had bled, stunk of BO, bitten and spat out their their nails, lost their teeth, left condoms on the floor of 5a, had a miscarriage, or hid pork chops in the wardrobe

Might be in the hidden parts of the PJ files


 >@@(*&)




Lets not forget the Mccanns tried to trash the dogs for some reason from day one and forever with lies  and libel, hmmm, why would anyone want to do that

[Lyall]

Not only that Red. ITV tried it too >@@(*&)

[Redblossom]

Not only that Red. ITV tried it too >@@(*&)

ITV? Tried what?

I remember a radio programme which featured the mccann case and they had someone  on say cadaver dogs alert to fruit cakes

[Lyall]

ITV? Tried what?

I remember a radio programme which featured the mccann case and they had someone  on say cadaver dogs alert to fruit cakes


Not a dog expert, a lawyer lol

 

Fruit cakes?

ITV (Fiona Foster/Trevor McDonald) did a programme in which they tried to rubbish the "so-called evidence" (McDonald's words).

Two nominees for the Hall of Shame.

[Mr Gray]

I'm confused Davel.

You acknowledge that cadaver scent exists but then dismiss the dogs findings because along with the cadaver scent there is no corroboration. That is an argument at this moment in time for a court of law. Correct me if I'm wrong but nobody as yet has been charged with any offence in relation to a dead body. Neither has anyone on this forum suggested that anybody should be charged with any offence in relation to a dead body. They merely argue it's an indication that a dead body was present although who's dead body it is yet to be determined but given that a young child disappeared in the same apartment it's A BLOODY BIG CLUE!

On this basis.......what the hell are you still banging on about evidence for?

100% wrong..you just don't understand what Grime said..the dog's alert is an indication that a cadaver  MAY have been present..these are the facts and you just dont seem to understand them

[Redblossom]

Fruit cakes?

ITV (Fiona Foster/Trevor McDonald) did a programme in which they tried to rubbish the "so-called evidence" (McDonald's words).

Two nominees for the Hall of Shame.

is that the one vanessa feltz was on? Omg will have to dig hard tomorrow to find this though its probably totally buried, laters lyall

Ps yes it was the era of dissing dogs as part of thr mccanns defence!!!! sayng dogs alert to fruit cake, coconuts etc,( thats before the bad breath clipped toenails brigade lolol) idiotic paid off shameless people at best, laters


 

[Mr Gray]

Apart from continually twisting what posters have said,(particularly icabs in this instance and i dont blame hm at all for bowing out of false time  wasting worthless rubbish)  you lose arguments and move  the goalposts, ,which is pretty cringeworthy at best,  that is a ridiculous question! Ask mark harrison and the uk police why a cadaver dog was suggested to the portuguese, it was recommended in order to find possible remnant scent of a death in flat 5a

Think they know more and are more experienced than you dont you think? Lol

In fact your question is a totally screwed up and irrational one as you twisted yourself too much this time, 0/10

jesus, but is what ive come to expect from apologists of the mitchell school, "anything found or not found'  will have an innocent explanation"  he said lol

 

paid pr man who will lie as its allowed in his professin

Seems like you are not able to keep up with the debate...icad posted....


I do my best to avoid your hair-splitters' conventions,  so I'll bow out now

To conclude,  though,  I believe there is a possibility that Madeleine McCann  died in the apartment 

My belief in that possibility is not random or obscure.  It is based on the fact that a cadaver dog alerted there

Had the dog  not barked in apartment 5A then there would be no  indication of the child having died there and there would be no supportable reason for suggesting she might have

As I pointed out to icad there MUST have been reasonable suspicion of a death otherwise the dogs would not have been brought in