Author Topic: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.  (Read 137100 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

icabodcrane

  • Guest
Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #615 on: February 20, 2014, 03:28:24 AM »
Still trying to work out the significance of KM mentioning the 'stain' on Madeleine's pyjama top. She noticed the stain on the morning of the day Madeleine disappeared and washed the top. Why the need to wash the 'stain' out immediately. Didn't Madeleine have other pairs of pyjamas? And then she was dressed again in those same pyjamas that night (allegedly). Could the 'stain' have been excess or regurgitated medicine of some kind? If Madeleine's body were to be found the 'alleged' abductor could then be blamed if any residue was discovered on her top. This would tie in with the McCanns suggesting that the 'abductor' could have possibly drugged the twins too. Its strangely curious that Amaral believed in a 'the children were possibly drugged' scenario (by the parents) and the McCanns too were suggesting the same (but by alleged abductor) I believe there is some truth in this somewhere.
o

When you post,  amanda,  you bring us right back to basics (  we count on members like you to do that ) 

Yes,  that  'brown stain' on Madeleine's pj's   that Kate McCann thought it necessary to tell the world about  IS  significant   ....  everything     mentioned,  pointedly,  by the McCanns  that appears, at face value,  to be incidental   is significant

Well done you  for reminding us of that
« Last Edit: February 20, 2014, 03:32:25 AM by icabodcrane »

Offline VIXTE

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #616 on: February 20, 2014, 03:33:35 AM »
Significant to who exactly? Who is us?

It seems too many police teams at present have checked out the parents FIRST and have passed that FIRST step and are now working on different LEVELS..

It is not the McCanns PI working on this case anymore, it is the real police, professional of two countries..



« Last Edit: February 20, 2014, 03:39:12 AM by VIXTE »

icabodcrane

  • Guest
Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #617 on: February 20, 2014, 03:43:20 AM »
Significant to who exactly? Who is us?

It seems too many police teams at present have checked out the parents FIRST and have passed that FIRST step and are now working on different LEVELS..

Well,  we're not the police,  are we  ?

We are forum members who discuss the case as regular john  and Jane Doe's  ...  aren't we  ? 

... and  we,  average  folk,  are the people that matter,  when all is said and done

Offline a.baker

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #618 on: February 20, 2014, 04:33:10 AM »
Thank you Icabodcrane...and vixte,the course of an investigation can change in an instant if new evidence is found,so I cannot see really how SY can confidently make the claim that the parents are not suspects. Everyone should be a suspect,until Madeleine's fate is finally resolved imo. That stance would be an entirely professional and correct one from ANY police force.

Offline colombosstogey

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #619 on: February 20, 2014, 07:09:44 AM »
When somebody dies, in Portugal, a coroner is called, not a cadaver dog.
No coroner was ever called in the G5A, according to the register books.

How old are these flats Anne? Hardly that old that so many deaths occurred in them. Actually it is rare to die in a home, most people unless murdered die in hospitals, accidents etc outside the home.

Its POINTLESS in arguing with people with scientific backgrounds, (probably just got a scientific image on his screensaver lol).

The believe the dogs ANY DOG who is highly trained rarely makes mistakes.

Look at all the dogs used in bomb squads, drug squads, who are TRUSTED to do their job.

The dog alerted to cadaver it doesnt mean it was a child, just that someone had lain dead in the apartment at some point in time.

BEING A PARENT, whos child had just gone missing fromt he apartment, and facing this evidence from the dogs, I would be asking the police, no begging the police to find out what happened, NOT MAKING STUPID silly comments about them as the McCanns did.

AND AGAIN, the exact case they used AGAINST the dogs turned out the guy had killed his wife and the dogs were right all along lol....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #620 on: February 20, 2014, 08:50:19 AM »
How old are these flats Anne? Hardly that old that so many deaths occurred in them. Actually it is rare to die in a home, most people unless murdered die in hospitals, accidents etc outside the home.

Its POINTLESS in arguing with people with scientific backgrounds, (probably just got a scientific image on his screensaver lol).

The believe the dogs ANY DOG who is highly trained rarely makes mistakes.

Look at all the dogs used in bomb squads, drug squads, who are TRUSTED to do their job.

The dog alerted to cadaver it doesnt mean it was a child, just that someone had lain dead in the apartment at some point in time.

BEING A PARENT, whos child had just gone missing fromt he apartment, and facing this evidence from the dogs, I would be asking the police, no begging the police to find out what happened, NOT MAKING STUPID silly comments about them as the McCanns did.

AND AGAIN, the exact case they used AGAINST the dogs turned out the guy had killed his wife and the dogs were right all along lol....

it seems you cant grasp the basics making your opinions worthless...

the alert by the evrd dog does NOT mean that there had been a cadaver in the apt..what you are saying is untrue.....this isn't my opinion it is grimes

stephen25000

  • Guest
Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #621 on: February 20, 2014, 09:50:38 AM »
it seems you cant grasp the basics making your opinions worthless...

the alert by the evrd dog does NOT mean that there had been a cadaver in the apt..what you are saying is untrue.....this isn't my opinion it is grimes


However, you can't dismiss the possibility that Madeleine suffered a fatal accident in the apartment, can you ?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #622 on: February 20, 2014, 10:03:50 AM »

However, you can't dismiss the possibility that Madeleine suffered a fatal accident in the apartment, can you ?

You are trying to derail the thread...the point is that the alerts do not confirm the presence of a cadaver as Colombo imagines

stephen25000

  • Guest
Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #623 on: February 20, 2014, 10:23:39 AM »
You are trying to derail the thread...the point is that the alerts do not confirm the presence of a cadaver as Colombo imagines

I leave the derailing to you and your fellow minions.

I know the forensics were INCONCLUSIVE.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #624 on: February 20, 2014, 10:32:29 AM »
I leave the derailing to you and your fellow minions.

I know the forensics were INCONCLUSIVE.

inconclusive is fine...no one got convicted on inconclusivre forensics

Estuarine

  • Guest
Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #625 on: February 20, 2014, 10:48:16 AM »
I actually thought you were going to add something to the debate..but no..just a personal attack. I don't have to prove anything re my intellectual ability...I think everyones level of intelligence is obvious from their posts...they are to me anyway. Maybe I do have a brain the size of a small planet and thats why you are so irritated by your own inadequacies

I am far more ridiculed than ridicule...as your post proves...but keep on attacking the poster because you sure cant attack my posts

And you have I suppose ; something like 20% of the posts on this thread are from you a large number of which bring nothing to the party except to tell other posters they are wrong with no substantiation of your assertion. Your posts are liberally seasoned with insults to other posters suggesting they need to be educated and similar such remarks. You are "big" on evidence all the evidence for my statement is on this very thread. If you stop insulting posters they may not hold you in such contempt.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #626 on: February 20, 2014, 12:36:57 PM »
And you have I suppose ; something like 20% of the posts on this thread are from you a large number of which bring nothing to the party except to tell other posters they are wrong with no substantiation of your assertion. Your posts are liberally seasoned with insults to other posters suggesting they need to be educated and similar such remarks. You are "big" on evidence all the evidence for my statement is on this very thread. If you stop insulting posters they may not hold you in such contempt.

You seem to want to derail the thread into a personal argument.
First...I post predominately on this thread because it is the most important.....a lot of threads concern incidental detail of little importance. if the alert by the evrd dog confirms the previous presence of a cadaver in 5a then the mccanns have a lot of explaining to do...the fact is the alerts don't prove this..as confirmed by grime.

you obviously miss all the insults made towards me..to which I respond...Stephen this morning is a good example

As regards the evidence to support my posts..everything I have posted on this thread is supported by Grime who is the expert...whilst others post their own opinion as fact..

As regards being held in contempt by some posters..has it escaped you that those who hold me in contempt share an opposite viewpoint to me whilst I get pm support from those who share my views...I couldn't really care what posters on here think of me..why should I ...

AnneGuedes

  • Guest
Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #627 on: February 20, 2014, 12:41:02 PM »
How old are these flats Anne? Hardly that old that so many deaths occurred in them. Actually it is rare to die in a home, most people unless murdered die in hospitals, accidents etc outside the home.

Its POINTLESS in arguing with people with scientific backgrounds, (probably just got a scientific image on his screensaver lol).

The believe the dogs ANY DOG who is highly trained rarely makes mistakes.

Look at all the dogs used in bomb squads, drug squads, who are TRUSTED to do their job.

The dog alerted to cadaver it doesnt mean it was a child, just that someone had lain dead in the apartment at some point in time.

BEING A PARENT, whos child had just gone missing fromt he apartment, and facing this evidence from the dogs, I would be asking the police, no begging the police to find out what happened, NOT MAKING STUPID silly comments about them as the McCanns did.

AND AGAIN, the exact case they used AGAINST the dogs turned out the guy had killed his wife and the dogs were right all along lol....
I don't know when those buildings were built, Colombosstogey, the type of door, lock, window, shutters... tells it was in the eighties.
Eddie's alerts indicated death scent, Mr Grime doesn't seem to have doubted that (double blind tests serve precisely to check that the dog doesn't alert falsely, which would obviously and imperatively eliminate him).
Forensic organic elements, when no body is visible, serve only to identify whose body originated the VOCs, not their presence.
Consider the double alert behind the sofa (Eddie and then Keela). If analysis identifies the blood as belonging to (alive) A, can you determine that Eddie alerted to A's decaying blood and not to (missing) B's death scent ?
No, it is possible but not certain.
Now, in the same flat, Eddie alerts on another spot and, this time, there's no blood and there's no item at all that can be removed and analysed apart. Can it be deduced that, behind the sofa, the dog then alerted to death and not to decaying blood ?
No, it's possible but not certain.
This is why Mr Grime refused to speculate, saying the minimum he could say without exposing himself and his dog, carefully staying behind the shield of the required forensic corroboration.
But his concise observations are nonetheless very interesting.

BTW there are techniques now to capture the air in a test tube at the point of the scent cone indicated by the dog and analyse the components (the relative proportions of VOCs).
« Last Edit: February 20, 2014, 12:48:25 PM by AnneGuedes »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #628 on: February 20, 2014, 12:48:35 PM »
if it was  death scent that eddie alerted to ...then the most obvious source as far as I am concerned is cross contamination from a policeman...as Grime says...cross contamination could be a reason for the alerts

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #629 on: February 20, 2014, 02:43:53 PM »
if it was  death scent that eddie alerted to ...then the most obvious source as far as I am concerned is cross contamination from a policeman...as Grime says...cross contamination could be a reason for the alerts

I thought it was because Kate took her work clothes on Holiday with her.... 8-)(--)
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.