The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.

[Benice]

Maybe  they were in the washing machine

Those doors have such strong seals dont they

Jon Corner did tell us in Panorama didnt  he that the PJ took clothes out of the washng machine

A possiblity to explain it? You with such an open mind on them all should agree


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But the seal on the washing machine door should not have prevented an alert Red.   It didn't prevent an alert at the car.   There was only one key fob in the car, but there were several items of clothing which were alledgedly contaminated in the villa - even if they were in the washing m/c.

Was there a PJ list of the clothing taken from the washing machine do you know?  Just curious?

[Serendipity]

But the seal on the washing machine door should not have prevented an alert Red.   It didn't prevent an alert at the car.   There was only one key fob in the car, but there were several items of clothing which were alledgedly contaminated in the villa - even if they were in the washing m/c.

Was there a PJ list of the clothing taken from the washing machine do you know?  Just curious?

A seal on a washing machine needs to be water tight, so it's a given that it would be airtight.  Any seal on a washing machine would also be made from impermeable materials so the dogs would not have detected anything through it.  How do you think test materials are transported for testing cadaver dogs?  In non permeable containers or they would be alerting all over the place whilst in transit.

Dogs are trained not to scent impermeable membranes.  When providing training samples for dogs such odours have to be contained, in gas impermeable containers. This has presented problems in that trainee dogs might begin to identify the scent of container (neoprene type etc)

By the same token an EVRD  which responds to human trace odours only will not identify odour of impermeable membrane around a body So, with right 'wrapping' or containment, dogs can miss cadaver as not trained to scent impermeable membrane.

[AnneGuedes]

But the seal on the washing machine door should not have prevented an alert Red.   It didn't prevent an alert at the car.   There was only one key fob in the car, but there were several items of clothing which were alledgedly contaminated in the villa - even if they were in the washing m/c.

Was there a PJ list of the clothing taken from the washing machine do you know?  Just curious?

I'm afraid that, in order to understand (as you don't trust Prof Harrison), you can't bypass studying the physics of VOCs and airflow in a closed space.

[pathfinder73]

Wrong.  Martin Grime was on retirement leave when he went to PdL.

Five months and £93,000 to find a coconut shell.  Good work if you can get it.

The EVRD alert indications were confirmed by intrusive archaeological excavation and sieving. A significant number of bone fragments and teeth have been recovered which have been corroborated as human.

Predominantly the human remains have been recovered from cellars 3, 4 and 5 which historically were one large classroom.

Enquiries at this time are suggestive that the human remains were deposited in this area and covered with top soil in a deliberate act of concealment. The deposition could only have taken place during a period of time when the floor had been removed. Research into the historical renovation of the property suggests that the floor above cellars 3, 4 &5 was taken up in the late 60’s early 70’s.

http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2011/02/no-body-remains.html

 4. What "evidence" are you able to provide to "prove" how a piece of child's skull containing 1.6% collagen (only found in Mammals) can turn into a piece of Coconut?

 Kind Regards.
 VFC. (End)

[AnneGuedes]

By the same token an EVRD  which responds to human trace odours only will not identify odour of impermeable membrane around a body So, with right 'wrapping' or containment, dogs can miss cadaver as not trained to scent impermeable membrane.

Yes, and it happened. In a case in France the dogs ignored a corpse wrapped this way. But the same dogs would pick up the scent of free invisible VOCs lodged into some porous material.

[Serendipity]

Yes, and it happened. In a case in France the dogs ignored a corpse wrapped this way. But the same dogs would pick up the scent of free invisible VOCs lodged into some porous material.

 

The straws are slipping from the grasps of those who do not believe the dogs at a fast rate of knots.  would not hurt them to do a bit of research and then they would not post such foolish surmises about washing machine seals...

[Benice]

A seal on a washing machine needs to be water tight, so it's a given that it would be airtight.  Any seal on a washing machine would also be made from impermeable materials so the dogs would not have detected anything through it.  How do you think test materials are transported for testing cadaver dogs?  In non permeable containers or they would be alerting all over the place whilst in transit.

Dogs are trained not to scent impermeable membranes.  When providing training samples for dogs such odours have to be contained, in gas impermeable containers. This has presented problems in that trainee dogs might begin to identify the scent of container (neoprene type etc)

By the same token an EVRD  which responds to human trace odours only will not identify odour of impermeable membrane around a body So, with right 'wrapping' or containment, dogs can miss cadaver as not trained to scent impermeable membrane.

I don't think a washing machine is airtight once the door is closed.  There are the openings at the top where the powder and conditioner are placed which prevent that - and from where odours would escape - and be detected by a dog.

[Serendipity]

I don't think a washing machine is airtight once the door is closed.  There are the openings at the top where the powder and conditioner are placed which prevent that - and from where odours would escape - and be detected by a dog.

Eau de Desperation anyone?

[pegasus]

Eau de Desperation anyone?

But Benice is correct.
Odour from inside a washing machine will come out the detergent drawer.

[Estuarine]

Eau de Desperation anyone?

Make mine with a stiff gin ............cheers  Serendipity

[AnneGuedes]

The straws are slipping from the grasps of those who do not believe the dogs at a fast rate of knots.  would not hurt them to do a bit of research and then they would not post such foolish surmises about washing machine seals...

Disinformation and mocking have prevailed concerning the dogs, though, in the McCann case, they provided the only plausible solution to the disappearance of Madeleine. A solution impossible to prove but possible to work out without dramatisation. Unfortunately as it supposed the McCann were likely liars, this solution was banned as books in Inquisition times : Fahrenheit 451. 
Nevertheless this situation draws a comic picture of this case.

[AnneGuedes]

I don't think a washing machine is airtight once the door is closed.  There are the openings at the top where the powder and conditioner are placed which prevent that - and from where odours would escape - and be detected by a dog.

Interesting, Benice. Have you a link to such an experience ?

[Mr Gray]

Eau de Desperation anyone?

the only edd I see is coming from you...making up the fact that the dogs have never been wrong..thats desperation...and dishonest

grime has said alerts have no evidential value,,,SY have shown the dogs alerts have no value as they admit maddie may still be alive...amarals lawyer agreeing with them......mcccanns no longer suspects...SY looking for an abductor...no ..no desperation from me...just a smug feeling knowing that what I have been saying for the last six years is true

[Lyall]

the only edd I see is coming from you...making up the fact that the dogs have never been wrong..thats desperation...and dishonest

grime has said alerts have no evidential value,,,SY have shown the dogs alerts have no value as they admit maddie may still be alive...amarals lawyer agreeing with them......mcccanns no longer suspects...SY looking for an abductor...no ..no desperation from me...just a smug feeling knowing that what I have been saying for the last six years is true

You forget one thing mate: the British police did not ask to become involved in this case. They were instructed, by a PM who made his view on the case perfectly clear.

That's two facts to support my view, which is two more than you have to support your view.

[Mr Gray]

You forget one thing mate: the British police did not ask to become involved in this case. They were instructed, by a PM who made his view on the case perfectly clear.

That's two facts to support my view, which is two more than you have to support your view.

What a ridiculous statement...SY never "ask" to get involved in  a case...and thats the best you have..I've justed posted several facts to support my case...you basically have none