The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.

[slartibartfast]

I think if you have only just realised something after all this time you are wasting your time and mine...I am implying nothing...I am repeating almost verbatim what grime says..grime does not use the words false...useless..etc and neither do I..Im off now this is a complete waste of time...I believe grime...the expert..you can believe Colombo and the like...it really doesn't matter..your views and mine are unimportant

So do you think the alerts were false?

[Mr Gray]

So do you think the alerts were false?

 

I have no idea..

[slartibartfast]

I think if you have only just realised something after all this time you are wasting your time and mine...I am implying nothing...I am repeating almost verbatim what grime says..grime does not use the words false...useless..etc and neither do I..Im off now this is a complete waste of time...I believe grime...the expert..you can believe Colombo and the like...it really doesn't matter..your views and mine are unimportant

I believe  Grime,  I understand that evidential value means the value placed on the evidence in a court of law.

[Mr Gray]

I believe  Grime,  I understand that evidential value means the value placed on the evidence in a court of law.

and without corroboration the value is ....NONE

[Luz]

and without corroboration the value is ....NONE

WRONG.

It has investigative value in the sense that it can and must be used to direct the investigation in the search for factual evidence that a death occurred inside the apartment.

[Carew]

Mr Grime won`t be called to "give evidence" should the case come to Court then?

Or might he be called instead to give his expert opinion.

If so, it suggests that expert opinion without corroboration is of some value to the investigation........not dismissed as "none"........otherwise what would be the point of calling him?

[Mr Gray]

WRONG.

It has investigative value in the sense that it can and must be used to direct the investigation in the search for factual evidence that a death occurred inside the apartment.

I couldn't agree more...that's what happened...the dog alerts and then any evidence from the site of the alert is collected...no evidence was found

[Mr Gray]

Mr Grime won`t be called to "give evidence" should the case come to Court then?

Or might he be called instead to give his expert opinion.

If so, it suggests that expert opinion without corroboration is of some value to the investigation........not dismissed as "none"........otherwise what would be the point of calling him?

You use the words "if" and "might" re calling Grime as a witness..as I have already said...what could he add to his statement....the alerts have no evidential value without corroboration...who is going to call him

[Carew]

Anyone who has watched the unedited videos of the dog searches knows that the dogs were manipulated by their handler.
This was Martin Grime's first job as a self employed dog handler so it was in his own interests to make a hit.
Using these videos he then went on to land The Jersey Job at a smacking great £93,000 Fee.  And we all know what happened there.

The oft used cliché, " under the full glare of the world`s media" only applies to the Drs McCanns`every move being under scrutiny and therefore, of necessity, totally innocent, then?

A professional was up for all sorts of blatant shenanigans in public, though!

There is far more to the deployment and handling of the dogs than we understand.

[Carew]

You use the words "if" and "might" re calling Grime as a witness..as I have already said...what could he add to his statement....the alerts have no evidential value without corroboration...who is going to call him

Read John`s post 312 regarding Mr Grime`s possible witness status.

[AnneGuedes]

The oft used cliché, " under the full glare of the world`s media" only applies to the Drs McCanns`every move being under scrutiny and therefore, of necessity, totally innocent, then?

A professional was up for all sorts of blatant shenanigans in public, though!

There is far more to the deployment and handling of the dogs than we understand.

This deployment was certainly not put in the bin as lacking of corroboration.
On one side there's the observation of a professional dog/handler team, under the scrutiny of the top expert in missing persons, whose interest was accuracy in order to discover what happened to Madeleine McCann.
Opposed to it, there's the word of two doctors whose interest was to keep away any suspicion of involvement in what happened to their daughter.

[Redblossom]

You use the words "if" and "might" re calling Grime as a witness..as I have already said...what could he add to his statement....the alerts have no evidential value without corroboration...who is going to call him

1) Whatever any barrister might ask, clarification, confirmation, additional information, et al
2) A barrister obviously

!

[Mr Gray]

Read John`s post 312 regarding Mr Grime`s possible witness status.

This is Johns post....

We asked Mr Grime to comment on the various accusations but he stated that as the case was still a live ongoing investigation that it would be inappropriate for him to do so.  It could well be that he will have to give evidence at some stage if the case comes to trial.


For me its just Johns imagination

[Mr Gray]

Davel, at what point did I claim the dog alerts to be evidence?

It seems that I touched a raw nerve when discussing the location of the dog alerts which sent you flying off into.....evidence, evidence, evidence mode whilst hiding behind your scientific background.

1. Does cadaver scent exist?
2. Does a cadaver have to physically be present for cadaver scent to exist?
3. If cross contamination occurs does this mean a cadaver is physically present?
4. Is it possible for a dog to smell cadaver scent without a cadaver being present?
5. If a cadaver dog smells cadaver scent without a cadaver being present and there is no corroborating evidence such as a cadaver does this mean the scent does not exist or just that it cannot be proven to exist in a court of law?
6. If there was no cadaver scent at all in the apartment and it was only discovered 100 yards away next to a cuddle cat would we be having this same debate?

You didn't touch any raw nerves...I agree with all your points apart from 6 which is hypothetical so I don't know the answer....
  I am only concerned with evidence...not idle gossip

[Mr Gray]

1) Whatever any barrister might ask, clarification, confirmation, additional information, et al
2) A barrister obviously

!

As Grime has already made it clear in his statements what the dogs alerts mean...I cant see what he can add...which side would call him...I am NOT surprised that amaral has called no canine expert in his defence in the libel trial as I think the evidence is against him