The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.

[Mr Gray]

What the Portuguese paid for those dogs was certainly the best expense of all. Thanks to the dogs, death in the flat became a possibility and challenged the omnipresent life through abduction. The MP generously offered the protagonists to convince the authorities that their dogma was the truth. They rejected that opportunity. At least now the MP has death in the flat as a possible reason why the abduction obsession led nowhere.

well it seems both sy and the pj  now think it was an abduction...and rightly so

[Lyall]

well it seems both sy and the pj  now think it was an abduction...and rightly so

Admit it davel, you and everyone else haven't a clue what they're up to >@@(*&)

Assuming they are up to something and not just stuck between a rock and a hard place (the PM's words in Parliament).

[Mr Gray]

Admit it davel, you and everyone else haven't a clue what they're up to >@@(*&)

Assuming they are up to something and not just stuck between a rock and a hard place (the PM's words in Parliament).

None of us know in detail but we know they do not consider the parents suspects

[Lyall]

None of us know in detail but we know they do not consider the parents suspects

Well we know they know the PM doesn't consider them suspects.

Everything else is news management.

[AnneGuedes]

well it seems both sy and the pj  now think it was an abduction...and rightly so

Wishful thinking, politically correct, just a bit expensive but it had to look genuine.
The AG report is still the authority, though, even for the PJ... whether concealment of corpse...

[Mr Gray]

Yes you are as you just didnt just give your "opinion" and lets not forget how many other people here youve accused of " fraud"massive pot kettle black moment hypocrite

Tara now

don't think Ive accused anyone of fraud..apart from amaral and I think hes been found guilty

[Estuarine]

The carefully thought out well reasoned scientifically based argument would appear to predicated on "There was an abduction".
Therefore if the woofer signaled cadaver scent it flew in the face of the predication. As the predication states by extension there was never a corpse in the apartment the woofer was in error. QED.

[Mr Gray]

The carefully thought out well reasoned scientifically based argument would appear to predicated on "There was an abduction".
Therefore if the woofer signaled cadaver scent it flew in the face of the predication. As the predication states by extension there was never a corpse in the apartment the woofer was in error. QED.

Nope...the presence of cadaver scent in the apartment..or more accurately on items in the apartment does not mean there was ever a corpse in the apartment...

[Estuarine]

Nope...the presence of cadaver scent in the apartment..or more accurately on items in the apartment does not mean there was ever a corpse in the apartment...

OK then Einstein I'll explain in words of one syllable. You start off the from the point that there was an abduction, which remains an unsubstantiated theory, it seems to be uncomfortable for you to have any other other postulation put forward. You will double shuffle, bend the facts, nit pick and pretend to be something you aren't in your attempts to prove you have a brain the size of a small planet while the rest of the posters are ESN. You choose to ridicule other posters in more feeble attempts to prove your own intelligence. Maybe you should behave like the adult you purport to be.

[Mr Gray]

OK then Einstein I'll explain in words of one syllable. You start off the from the point that there was an abduction, which remains an unsubstantiated theory, it seems to be uncomfortable for you to have any other other postulation put forward. You will double shuffle, bend the facts, nit pick and pretend to be something you aren't in your attempts to prove you have a brain the size of a small planet while the rest of the posters are ESN. You choose to ridicule other posters in more feeble attempts to prove your own intelligence. Maybe you should behave like the adult you purport to be.

 I actually thought you were going to add something to the debate..but no..just a personal attack. I don't have to prove anything re my intellectual ability...I think everyones level of intelligence is obvious from their posts...they are to me anyway. Maybe I do have a brain the size of a small planet and thats why you are so irritated by your own inadequacies

I am far more ridiculed than ridicule...as your post proves...but keep on attacking the poster because you sure cant attack my posts

[Estuarine]

I actually thought you were going to add something to the debate..but no..just a personal attack. I don't have to prove anything re my intellectual ability...I think everyones level of intelligence is obvious from their posts...they are to me anyway. Maybe I do have a brain the size of a small planet and thats why you are so irritated by your own inadequacies

I am far more ridiculed than ridicule...as your post proves...but keep on attacking the poster because you sure cant attack my posts

Keep telling yourself that! Be a cold day in hell though.................

[Mr Gray]

Keep telling yourself that! Be a cold day in hell though.................

you made a choice to criticise me when I had said nothing to you...probabaly because the poster who was trying to ridicule me was making such a fool of herself...

I don't have to tell myself anything...people tell ME in the real world...not in this virtual world

[John]

This is why I bow to Grimes superior knowledge re the dogs...problem is that some posters on here think they know more than Grime

I can't let this post pass without commenting Dave.  Mr Grime knows no more than any of us whether a cadaver was present in apartment 5a.  The dog alerts which you have pointed out ad nauseam, are meaningless without corroboration of some sort.

It is also incorrect to state that the EVRD alerts have no evidential value.  They are evidence of something, the problem is we don't know what at this stage and may never know.

Mr Grime is keeping his powder dry as he is very aware that the case is a live investigation and that he might very well be called as an expert witness at some stage.  And for Dave's benefit...especially if Madeleine is found dead in or near PdL.

[Lyall]

I can't let this post pass without commenting Dave.  Mr Grime knows no more than any of us whether a cadaver was present in apartment 5a.  The dog alerts which you have pointed out ad nauseam, are meaningless without corroboration of some sort.

They're not meaningless when combined with the documentation of the dogs training. When a trainer is in court it's the training that is examined to check it is as claimed. That's all the trainer can demonstrate, they're not scientists.

[Mr Gray]

I can't let this post pass without commenting Dave.  Mr Grime knows no more than any of us whether a cadaver was present in apartment 5a.  The dog alerts which you have pointed out ad nauseam, are meaningless without corroboration of some sort.

It is also incorrect to state that the EVRD alerts have no evidential value.  They are evidence of something, the problem is we don't know what at this stage and may never know.

Mr Grime is keeping his powder dry as he is very aware that the case is a live investigation and that he might very well be called as an expert witness at some stage.

Well not surprisingly I disagree...

So you think posters on here know as much as grime regarding the dogs...what a bizarre statement...whats the point in calling him as an expert witness...may as well call Colombo

As for stating the dogs alerts have no evidential value..it was grime who sated that not me...but of course grime doesn't know anymore than the posters on here anyway..

keeping his powder dry?...grime has already  stated quite clearly his opinions on the alerts..

and finally..the presence of  a live investigation didn't stop the lead detective writing a book on the subject...

what a pigs ear the whole thing has been made